mountainman

Dear Jeffrey,

My "hobby horse" is in the barn. I have selected an alternative "hobby horse" according to the 2009 Guidelines, and am presently taking it for a canter in this thread entitled early witnesses to the authorship and chronology of the NT apocrypha . I have lost interest in the obviously fabricated silly stupid innane nonsensical pastiche and collage of imaginative fiction called and bound into a codex as the NT canon, and I have ceased to argue my position that it was authored and "fabricated" in the fourth century. My attention is focussed on the new testament apocrypha. The Cross that Talked, and other interesting Hellenistic romance stories of the Historical Jesus and the Docetic Disciples.


Best wishes,


Pete

Jeffrey Gibson

My attention is focussed on the new testament apocrypha. The Cross that Talked,[/quote]

If you are referencing Crossan, it's The Cross that Spoke.

Jeffrey

Ted Hoffman

April strikes me as not well-instructed in non-HJ theories. Her confidence in the existence of a HJ is so brazen and appears insulated. I wouldn't waste my time.

Toto

This is all getting out of hand. I think I would like April Deconick. She does not strike me as brazen or any other derogatory adjective. I don't fault her for wanting a historical Jesus to exist, or trying to keep that possibility open. The actual existence of a historical Jesus is almost totally irrelevant to her field.

Ted Hoffman

Maybe that's why I wouldn't waste too much time. She just sounds so far afield.

Ted Hoffman

I understand your position, being a mod and all. But look at what she does, she mentions Obama and Lincoln then leaps to the following. I think her use of the word "fact" is not cautious or attentive to the challenges in HJ studies:
Does she not know that whether what she calls a "fact" is indeed a fact is a major issue for determination by the Jesus Project?

GakuseiDon

Update: April DeConick has decided to step aside from involvement in the Jesus Project, after crossing blog posts with one Tom Verenna, better known as Rook Hawkins of the Rational Response Squad (I've known for a while, but didn't say anything here. It's open knowledge elsewhere on the Net).

Tom is currently acting Assistant Director of the Jesus Project, which is good news for him, and possibly not quite as good news for the Jesus Project.

A list of Jesus Project fellows can be found here: http://www.jesus-project.com/fellows.htm

DCHindley

From the start the Jesus Project has been a little too "fringy" for most professional academics. However, some moderate academics have long been unhappy with Westar Institute's Jesus Seminar, which they perceive as promoting personal agendas more than sifting historical tidbits from "noise" data. Some of these scholars might have found an alternate forum attractive.

Unfortunately, the JP started right off claiming support from several scholars, even using their names in press releases, before they had the scholar's formal permission. These scholars then either claimed they had never even spoke to the JP crew or felt obliged to withdraw support on account of these oversteppings.

After all, over-eagerness to claim support they either imagined they had or had yet to formally obtain also suggests that personal agendas are being pushed, and that was what those scholars were protesting against when they approached the JP in the first place.

I was surprised to see David Trobisch listed as a presenter at their seminar, but notice that he has offered no account of the meeting at his personal website.

DCH (on me break)

Ted Hoffman

Why not ask him?

wordy

IIRC and apology if I have mixed them with another name? Didn't the Rational Response Squad have a big row some year ago and almost everybody got upset over who they treated folks they dealt with? Am I wrong?