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Old 04-20-2004, 03:53 PM   #1
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Have Christians who hold to a literal resurrection ever really taken time to consider what it really means to have a new resurrection body? If so, I wonder if they can provide sensible solutions to the problems associated with it.

Jesus is supposedly the "first-fruit" - the first born among the dead and had the very first resurrection body. Apparently he still had a human body.
If that's the case, what's the point in having that?

Once you're resurrected you're no longer subject to death - that implies that you need nothing to sustain you because you'll always be alive anyway.

What purpose is there for the majority of human anatomy?
You won't need a heart. You won't need to breath air so you won't need lungs. You won't need a digestive system or teeth because you no longer require food to sustain you (presumably you could still eat for pleasure I suppose - but why would you need food to give you pleasure if you're going to spend eternity worshsipping the almighty?!).
For that matter (and forgive me for being crude), you won't need an ass!
And you probably won't need sexual organs either.
And all the stuff that we have that's been "designed" for protection like eyelids, fingernails.

Jesus seemed to have all these things after his resurrection, but surely he doesn't need that kind of body now?

And let's not forget the idea that although Jesus was resurrected, God didn't do a very good job of it because he forgot to sort out those big holes in his hands, feet and side!
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Have Christians who hold to a literal resurrection ever really taken time to consider what it really means to have a new resurrection body? If so, I wonder if they can provide sensible solutions to the problems associated with it.

Jesus is supposedly the "first-fruit" - the first born among the dead and had the very first resurrection body. Apparently he still had a human body.
If that's the case, what's the point in having that?

Once you're resurrected you're no longer subject to death - that implies that you need nothing to sustain you because you'll always be alive anyway.

What purpose is there for the majority of human anatomy?
You won't need a heart. You won't need to breath air so you won't need lungs. You won't need a digestive system or teeth because you no longer require food to sustain you (presumably you could still eat for pleasure I suppose - but why would you need food to give you pleasure if you're going to spend eternity worshsipping the almighty?!).
For that matter (and forgive me for being crude), you won't need an ass!
And you probably won't need sexual organs either.
And all the stuff that we have that's been "designed" for protection like eyelids, fingernails.

Jesus seemed to have all these things after his resurrection, but surely he doesn't need that kind of body now?

And let's not forget the idea that although Jesus was resurrected, God didn't do a very good job of it because he forgot to sort out those big holes in his hands, feet and side!
You don't need to be confused, that is the short of a very long list of mysteries within the NT, any confusion and doubts are most assuredly calmed away by just having enough faith.
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Have Christians who hold to a literal resurrection ever really taken time to consider what it really means to have a new resurrection body? If so, I wonder if they can provide sensible solutions to the problems associated with it.

Jesus is supposedly the "first-fruit" - the first born among the dead and had the very first resurrection body. Apparently he still had a human body.
If that's the case, what's the point in having that?

Once you're resurrected you're no longer subject to death - that implies that you need nothing to sustain you because you'll always be alive anyway.

What purpose is there for the majority of human anatomy?
You won't need a heart. You won't need to breath air so you won't need lungs. You won't need a digestive system or teeth because you no longer require food to sustain you (presumably you could still eat for pleasure I suppose - but why would you need food to give you pleasure if you're going to spend eternity worshsipping the almighty?!).
For that matter (and forgive me for being crude), you won't need an ass!
And you probably won't need sexual organs either.
And all the stuff that we have that's been "designed" for protection like eyelids, fingernails.

Jesus seemed to have all these things after his resurrection, but surely he doesn't need that kind of body now?

And let's not forget the idea that although Jesus was resurrected, God didn't do a very good job of it because he forgot to sort out those big holes in his hands, feet and side!
You do know that after the 1000 year reign of Christ, we will be living on a new Earth right? Who knows, maybe there is physical properties to the new Earth. Sure you can't be injured or die, but doesn't mean the body doesn't function. We will still eat and drink. Sing and laugh and run. The only difference I would imagine is our bodies our incorruptible so you will never overeat, never get diseased, never break a leg, etc. Why can't bodies still have a purpose regardless of whether they are mortal or not?

Jesus' wounds were intended to stay. They are a permanent reminder of what He did for us. They will remain with Him for all eternity.
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LOL.

The Bible is rather vague on this subject, but Islamic tradition goes into more detail. One will have very nice bodies that will always be in a 30-year-old state, one will have lots of nice food and drinks, including wine that never causes hangovers or other such deleterious effects, and one will excrete by emitting a pleasant musky smell.

For more, see The X-RATED PARADISE OF ISLAM on Islam's almost absurdly carnal Paradise.
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One will have very nice bodies that will always be in a 30-year-old state
That's one year too old for a lot of women.
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Jesus' wounds were intended to stay. They are a permanent reminder of what He did for us. They will remain with Him for all eternity.
That's gotta suck. He must really go through a lot of Band-Aids.
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You do know that after the 1000 year reign of Christ, we will be living on a new Earth right? Who knows, maybe there is physical properties to the new Earth. Sure you can't be injured or die, but doesn't mean the body doesn't function. We will still eat and drink. Sing and laugh and run. The only difference I would imagine is our bodies our incorruptible so you will never overeat, never get diseased, never break a leg, etc. Why can't bodies still have a purpose regardless of whether they are mortal or not?

Jesus' wounds were intended to stay. They are a permanent reminder of what He did for us. They will remain with Him for all eternity.
Cool! We'll all be like superman.
Seriously though exactly what did Jesus do for us?
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Seriously though exactly what did Jesus do for us?
Oh boy, here we go...
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Who knows, maybe there is physical properties to the new Earth.
That's good. It might be annoying to float around on a completely insubstantial Earth with no physical properties whatsoever.

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We will still eat and drink. Sing and laugh and run.
But no sex at all in this paradise (singing is not an adequate substitute, IMO). Check your libido in at the door. I imagine self-pleasure will be out of bounds as well? What about sexual fantasies? Will people lose the parts of their brains responsible for those?

By the way, does the bible say that we will "laugh and run" or is that your own interpretation, Magus?

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Jesus' wounds were intended to stay. They are a permanent reminder of what He did for us.
Jesus must have a low opinion of his followers' long-term memories.

Edited to add : The singing, laughing, running people of Paradise remind me of the Teletubbies.
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Have Christians who hold to a literal resurrection ever really taken time to consider what it really means to have a new resurrection body?
They say you get regenerated in Heaven. A new body, with all the parts missing and young and beautiful.

Wait a second... all the parts missing? Does that mean everybody has to get circumsized again?

Sounds like hell to me!

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