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11-04-2006, 07:09 AM | #261 |
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I dunno, considering how often people in general are in fact wrong about so many things.
However . . . if Christians' belief in the early second century were the only relevant datum, I'd probably give them the benefit of doubt and side with historicity. There are other data, though, and when they're all taken into consideration, historicity looks improbable to me. |
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In this study of the rabbinic heretics who believed in Two Powers in Heaven, Alan Segal explores some relationships between rabbinic Judaism, Merkabah mysticism, and early Christianity. Two Powers in Heaven was a very early category of heresy. It was one of the basic categories by which the rabbis perceived the new phenomenon of Christianity and one of the central issues over which Judaism and Christianity separated. Segal reconstructs the development of the heresy through prudent dating of the stages of the rabbinic traditions. The basic heresy involved interpreting scripture to say that a principal angelic or hypostatic manifestation in heaven was equivalent to God. The earliest heretics believed in two complementary powers in heaven, while later heretics believed in two opposing powers in heaven. Segal stresses the importance of perceiving the relevance of rabbinic material for solving traditional problems of New Testament and gnostic scholarship, and at the same time maintains the necessity of reading those literatures for dating rabbinic material. |
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http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/psco/year25/8802.shtml Enoch and Moses, however, are the most important non-Christian figures of divinization or angelic transformation. For instance, Philo describes Moses as divine, based upon the word God used of him in Exodus 4:16 and 7:1. Thus Sirach 45:1-5 compares Moses to God in the Hebrew or "equal in glory to the holy ones", in the Greek version of the text. Philo and the Samaritans also expressed Moses' pre-eminence in Jewish tradition by granting him a kind of deification. In the Testament of Moses, Moses is described as the mediator or arbiter of his covenant" (1:14)...(ETA) I'm just waiting for the next logical step in the Jesus Myth camp: From "NO Jewish person back then could have regarded a human as a divine mediator figure", to "Bah! Human divine mediator figures were a dime a dozen back then! What makes Jesus so unique???" |
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