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maryhelena · 04-30-2013, 10:53 PM

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Check out the OP chart......

I have checked out the chart many times, but I am asking you for your opinions based on the chart. I am asking that you make a declarative statement.

Do you think the fictional Jesus might have been derived from an historical figure (on your chart)?

Onias

She stated here

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The composite gospel Jesus figure based upon the historical figures of the last King and High Priest of the Jews, Antigonus; and Philip the Tetrarch.

Thanks, outhouse.......:thumbs:

maryhelena · 04-30-2013, 11:20 PM

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OK, but do you think the fictional Jesus might have been derived from an historical figure. . . like Santa Claus was derived from the historical Saint Nicholas?
Onias

Check out the OP chart......

I have checked out the chart many times, but I am asking you for your opinions based on the chart. I am asking that you make a declarative statement.

Onias, this is what you asked in post #31

[T2]Why do you think Jesus was portrayed as a pacifist as well as a rebel?[/T2]

I replied, in post #32

[T2]That question is answered in the chart. Antigonus was a 'man of war'. Followed, later, by Philip the Tetrarch, a 'man of peace'. These two historical figures are the backbone, so to speak, of the literary, composite, figure of the gospel JC.[/T2]

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Do you think the fictional Jesus might have been derived from an historical figure (on your chart)?

Onias

Have another look at the chart - and my comment, and your question, from earlier posts.

Additionally, on the 'man of war' element in the composite gospel JC - have a look at this article:

Why is the Hypothesis that Jesus Was an Anti-Roman Rebel Alive and Well?

http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/...er378008.shtml

As to Philip the Tetrarch being a 'man of peace': A quote from an old History Book (referencing Josephus)

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Philip.......was remarkable among Herodians for his popularity and benevolence as a ruler. His reign being peaceful, there is less to report of him; but he too was a builder, and a straightforward supporter of the Roman empire.

Israelite and Judaean History, Hayes and Miller (or via: amazon.co.uk)

Iskander · 05-01-2013, 03:42 AM

Antigonus, Hasmonean, lost his life in a destructive war when he sided with the invading armies of Parthia. His killer and political enemy was King Herod, an allied of Rome.

Phillip, Herodian, is a minor politician in the immediate post war period and believes that peace with the all-powerful winner of the war is the right policy,
Phillip is like Chancellor Conrad Adenauer in post war Germany, but of an infinitively less political significance.

So, the argument consist of the following: A defeated leader is followed by a compromising minor politician .This is said to make Jesus a composite invention and to explain the birth of Christianity and 2000 years of history and the conversion of the inhabitants of the Empire?

maryhelena · 05-01-2013, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Iskander

Antigonus, Hasmonean, lost his life in a destructive war when he sided with the invading armies of Parthia. His killer and political enemy was King Herod, an allied of Rome.

Phillip, Herodian, is a minor politician in the immediate post war period and believes that peace with the all-powerful winner of the war is the right policy,
Phillip is like Chancellor Conrad Adenauer in post war Germany, but of an infinitively less political significance.

So, the argument consist of the following: A defeated leader is followed by a compromising minor politician .This is said to make Jesus a composite invention and to explain the birth of Christianity and 2000 years of history and the conversion of the inhabitants of the Empire?

Indeed, politics is often a very dirty business. No wonder the gospel writers went to great pains to create a more 'beautiful' figure of that gospel JC!

However, if it's early christian history that we are seeking - then it's down to the political 'dirt' we must go......

Iskander · 05-01-2013, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by maryhelena

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Originally Posted by Iskander

Antigonus, Hasmonean, lost his life in a destructive war when he sided with the invading armies of Parthia. His killer and political enemy was King Herod, an allied of Rome.

Phillip, Herodian, is a minor politician in the immediate post war period and believes that peace with the all-powerful winner of the war is the right policy,
Phillip is like Chancellor Conrad Adenauer in post war Germany, but of an infinitively less political significance.

So, the argument consist of the following: A defeated leader is followed by a compromising minor politician .This is said to make Jesus a composite invention and to explain the birth of Christianity and 2000 years of history and the conversion of the inhabitants of the Empire?

Indeed, politics is often a very dirty business. No wonder the gospel writers went to great pains to create a more 'beautiful' figure of that gospel JC!

However, if it's early christian history that we are seeking - then it's down to the political 'dirt' we must go......

Is that all?

DCHindley · 05-03-2013, 07:08 PM

A little ditty sung to the Blue Oyster Cult's Godzilla:

With a purposeful grimace and a terrible sound
He attacks the Romans and throws them down

Helpless peasants work their olive press, and
Scream, bug-eyed, as they look at the mess

He picks up a sword and he throws it back down
As he wades through the blood in the center of town

Oh, no, they say they got to go
Go go you Romans
Oh, no, the Romans receive great blows
Go go you Romans

History rejects again and again that Jesus is just a Mythical man!

DCH

spin · 05-03-2013, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DCHindley

A little ditty sung to the Blue Oyster Cult's Godzilla:

With a purposeful grimace and a terrible sound
He attacks the Romans and throws them down

Helpless peasants work their olive press, and
Scream, bug-eyed, as they look at the mess

He picks up a sword and he throws it back down
As he wades through the blood in the center of town

Oh, no, they say they got to go
Go go you Romans
Oh, no, the Romans receive great blows
Go go you Romans

History rejects again and again that Jesus is just a Mythical man!

DCH

Got an mp3?

maryhelena · 05-03-2013, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DCHindley

A little ditty sung to the Blue Oyster Cult's Godzilla:

With a purposeful grimace and a terrible sound
He attacks the Romans and throws them down

Helpless peasants work their olive press, and
Scream, bug-eyed, as they look at the mess

He picks up a sword and he throws it back down
As he wades through the blood in the center of town

Oh, no, they say they got to go
Go go you Romans
Oh, no, the Romans receive great blows
Go go you Romans

History rejects again and again that Jesus is just a Mythical man!

DCH

Wow! David - and you waited how long to post in this thread???

maryhelena · 05-03-2013, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by spin

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Originally Posted by DCHindley

A little ditty sung to the Blue Oyster Cult's Godzilla:

With a purposeful grimace and a terrible sound
He attacks the Romans and throws them down

Helpless peasants work their olive press, and
Scream, bug-eyed, as they look at the mess

He picks up a sword and he throws it back down
As he wades through the blood in the center of town

Oh, no, they say they got to go
Go go you Romans
Oh, no, the Romans receive great blows
Go go you Romans

History rejects again and again that Jesus is just a Mythical man!

DCH

Got an mp3?

And to top it all - the thread even gets a visit from the main man himself.....

aa5874 · 05-04-2013, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by maryhelena

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Originally Posted by DCHindley

A little ditty sung to the Blue Oyster Cult's Godzilla:

With a purposeful grimace and a terrible sound
He attacks the Romans and throws them down

Helpless peasants work their olive press, and
Scream, bug-eyed, as they look at the mess

He picks up a sword and he throws it back down
As he wades through the blood in the center of town

Oh, no, they say they got to go
Go go you Romans
Oh, no, the Romans receive great blows
Go go you Romans

History rejects again and again that Jesus is just a Mythical man!

DCH

Wow! David - and you waited how long to post in this thread???

The "Psalms" of David for HJ?

05-03-2013, 07:08 PM	#186
DCHindley Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mondcivitan Republic Posts: 2,550	A little ditty sung to the Blue Oyster Cult's Godzilla: With a purposeful grimace and a terrible sound He attacks the Romans and throws them down Helpless peasants work their olive press, and Scream, bug-eyed, as they look at the mess He picks up a sword and he throws it back down As he wades through the blood in the center of town Oh, no, they say they got to go Go go you Romans Oh, no, the Romans receive great blows Go go you Romans History rejects again and again that Jesus is just a Mythical man! DCH

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Iskander Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 3,619	Antigonus, Hasmonean, lost his life in a destructive war when he sided with the invading armies of Parthia. His killer and political enemy was King Herod, an allied of Rome. Phillip, Herodian, is a minor politician in the immediate post war period and believes that peace with the all-powerful winner of the war is the right policy, Phillip is like Chancellor Conrad Adenauer in post war Germany, but of an infinitively less political significance. So, the argument consist of the following: A defeated leader is followed by a compromising minor politician .This is said to make Jesus a composite invention and to explain the birth of Christianity and 2000 years of history and the conversion of the inhabitants of the Empire?

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