capnkirk

I call it OT so that lesser luminaries than certain Veteran Users here will clearly understand to what I refer...no more no less. Yes, it was an intellectual theft, no I don't think it was OK, but I will always be a tiny minority so there's nothing I can do about it. Just like I don't insist on using Spanish phonics to pronounce Los Angeles, or the Hebrew phonics for Jesus...and neither do you.

rlogan

I don't. On two grounds.

First, I know what the Roman state religion known as "Christianity" is. I cannot establish much about what was going on in the period these later fabrications allege. I do not want to retroject the Roman state religion onto the period in question.

Second, it is not clear to me this was Jewish in origin, although it infiltrated Jewish communities.

As a more extreme example, America is largely Christian. But I would not say that Scientology is a branch of Christianity.

The central idea of Jesus the Christ separates Judaism from Christianity. The Christian NT supplants the HB. So I do not think of Christianity as a branch of Judaism.

There have been many would-be messiahs. Each is free to lay claim to prophesy speaking of his arrival.

judge

All the nations that thou hast created will come and worship before thee.

Romans 15:7
7Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God. 8For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews[2] on behalf of God's truth, to confirm the promises made to the patriarchs 9so that the Gentiles may glorify God for his mercy, as it is written:
"Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles;
I will sing hymns to your name."[3] 10Again, it says,
"Rejoice, O Gentiles, with his people."[4] 11And again,
"Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles,
and sing praises to him, all you peoples."[5] 12And again, Isaiah says,
"The Root of Jesse will spring up,
one who will arise to rule over the nations;
the Gentiles will hope in him."[6]
13May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.

http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/b...on&showxref=on


According to this link.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/

the Book of Romans dates to 50-60 A.D. Or is typically dated to 57 a.d.

capnkirk

I call it OT so that lesser luminaries than certain Veteran Users here will clearly understand to what I refer...no more no less. Yes, it was an intellectual theft, no I don't think it was OK, but I will always be a tiny minority so there's nothing I can do about it. Just because I don't insist on using Spanish phonics to pronounce Los Angeles, or the Hebrew phonics for Jesus doesn't mean that I don't know that contemporary American pronunciation is a corruption nor does it express my editorial opinion of that fact.

capnkirk

Silly Judge...Xtianity is what happened when Zoroastrian dualism and Greek neo-Platonism expropriated the Hebrew Bible for its own purposes.

judge

How dare you call me silly. I am outraged! :notworthy

capnkirk

This theft began on the Road to Damascus when Saul/Paul in a vision converted a failed Jewish claimant to the throne of David (messiah) into a dying and resurrected world savior. The author of Acts, a Pauline Xtian himself, only furthers that theft by converting Peter into a Xtian.

capnkirk

What goes around comes around...

capnkirk

Quoting the man who I have named as the original thief does not avail. IMHO, all you have done here is to show Paul in the act of thieving.

spin

You're hysterical, Judge!!

You provide a sea of wishful datings for texts, most of which no-one knows their date of origin (I don't care where you got the data), and expect people to take this as evidence of anything other than the fact that people like guessing when texts were written.

The only historical indication within Paul's writing is one to the time when the Nabataeans had control of Damascus, which was not long before the time of Pompey, ie before 63 BCE. You wouldn't find that an attractive date would you?

No-one knows when the gospels were written and parading those vacuous dates means nothing. The first gospel may well have been written by Marcion -- yeah, yeah, Papias, blah, blah -- and the first church father to shown gospel knowledge was Justin Martyr.

Try and show me wrong. Pull no punches. Unleash the true you.

Why do so many people have so little idea what is necessary as evidence?


spin