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outhouse · 05-12-2013, 01:32 PM

Stop the nonsense.

Elohim has many different interpretations and not all plural.

As the OT was redacted to monotheism the term was perverted beyond its original usage.

In many places it was singular.

spin · 05-12-2013, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ralfellis

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Originally Posted by spin

Another: "Eli (Elah) also became Elohim which is the plural of Eli."

I've already indicated that Eli actually means "my god", so obviously Elohim certainly isn't "the plural of Eli." The blather machine is running hot.

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Elohim has been explained as a plural form of Eloah or as plural derivative of El.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05393a.htm

(And sometimes Elohim is written with a plural verb and noun, proving that it was originally a true plural.)

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The most common of the originally appellative names of God is Elohim, plural in form though commonly construed with a singular verb or adjective.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/ar...5-names-of-god

And just in case the obvious needs pointing out to you, the Israelites and the United Monarchy worshipped many gods, which is why Elohim was originally a plural (it referred to Judaism's polytheistic past). However, Pharaoh Akhenaton founded monotheism in the 14th century BC, and ever since there has been an ongoing theological battle between polytheism and monotheism. That battle goes on today, with Orthodox Judaism still denying the obvious - that Elohim was originally the plural of El.

BDB Aramaic dictionary:

Elohiym El-o-heem'

plural of El

KJV - God 2346, god 244, judge 5, GOD 1, goddess 2, great 2, mighty 2, angels 1, exceeding 1, God-ward + 04136 1, godly 1; 2606

1) (plural)
1a) rulers, judges
1b) divine ones
1c) angels
1d) gods

Nothing in your post is a response to the words you cited from me. You made the false claim that "Elohim .. is the plural of Eli", not El. When you fuck around manipulating words as you inveterately do, you lose track of real forms and blend your nonsense with reality, so that you don't know what you are talking about or responding to.

And BDB is not an "Aramaic dictionary". It's a "Hebrew and English lexicon", as per its title page. Some people actually have the book. The material that you cite is directly from an augmented Strongs with the added categories from BDB (1a - 1d), not BDB itself. This is a webified version of BDB on elohim.

The crap about Akhenaten founding monotheism in the 14th c. BCE is a typical misunderstanding of what happened in Egypt at the time, the political process starting with Tuthmoses IV who turned to Ra-Harakhte in preference to Amun of the priests. Amenhotep III moved to worshipping Aten of which Ra-Harakhte is a manifestation. Amenhotep IV syncretism and henotheism are quite understandable, though extremely limited. His beliefs were only shared within his administrative circle and not available to common people whose temples had been closed. It last for part of his reign and into that of Tutankhaten, who moved back to Amun and reopened the temples, while Horemheb obliterated all the cloistered nonsense. Your "ever since there has been an ongoing theological battle between polytheism and monotheism" is pure fantasy.

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05-12-2013, 01:32 PM	#171
outhouse Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Auburn ca Posts: 4,269	Stop the nonsense. Elohim has many different interpretations and not all plural. As the OT was redacted to monotheism the term was perverted beyond its original usage. In many places it was singular.

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