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QuestionMark · 12-28-2005, 09:14 AM

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I do not endorse this, but there is a Messianic Jew named Jordan S. Rubin who is currently peddling a book to the holistic health - low carb crowd called The Maker's Diet, which claims that the rules on clean and unclean meat and a Biblical diet reflect some valid health concerns. (I think this is a variation on the Paleolithic Diet.) You can browse it on Amazon or at your local health food store.

For a less flattering view of the commandments, try Joseph Lewis' The Ten Commandments a book hosted online at the postiveatheism site. Lewis argues that the 10C and the other laws represent a sort of primitive sympathetic magic.

What is a Messianic Jew?

Is that like a Vegetarian who eats hamburgers?

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QuestionMark · 12-28-2005, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jackrabbit

In an earlier post, you said that pigs would eat anything. I'm just saying that chickens will too, including shit.

And when humans eat shrimp, what is the black line, but shit?

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premjan · 12-28-2005, 09:20 AM

Do you have a picture (of shrimp shit?) I ate some prawns a few days ago (another thing to cut out).

Kosh · 12-28-2005, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by QuestionMark

And when humans eat shrimp, what is the black line, but shit?

QuestionMark

That's why you de-vein them...

premjan · 12-28-2005, 09:46 AM

pictures

Kosh · 12-28-2005, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by premjan

pictures

As a woodworker, those pictures send a chill up my spine. That technique is just and accident waiting to happen. Never cut towards yourself!

Also, I've always de-veined from the underside, since that's where the poop chute is....

And did you catch this?

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The practice of cleaning the shrimp before freezing may cause a loss of flavor and texture.

:barf

Sheshbazzar · 12-29-2005, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

2. The position promoted by most skeptics, based upon "The Documentary Hypothesis", that most or all of the laws were invented far latter than the time of Moses by the Levitical priesthood, which therefor came to, and held their power over the Israelite people without any actual approval by YHWH or Moses, but by the employment of deception and outright fraud.
This of course is also irreconcilable with the respect paid to Moses and to the Scriptures throughout the entire NT.

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:rolling:
As if they would have had knowledge about the authenticity of authorship claims for the Torah....

No less and no more than is the case today, then and today, "faith" is dependent upon the "things yet HOPED for, and is the evidence of things NOT YET SEEN."
If believers were privy to any absolute and irrefutable proofs of the Torah having came into being exactly as the Torah relates, then their faith in the words of the Torah would no longer be faith, because for faith to be faith, it must be established and maintained in a continuance of hope until the Day that truth of that hope becomes fully vindicated in the sight of all men.
We that wait, wait in hope, we do not hope for that which we have already attained, but for a Day that proves, fulfills and vindicates all of the promises to such extent that men will no longer be able to deny, and all contentions shall cease.
And it is for this reason we await the Day of Judgment, that our hope might in that Day be fully vindicated.
Whatever the be weaknesses, whatever be the errors, whatever be the pretensions, whatever be the contentions, and whatsoever be the divisions among believers, it IS faith alone that is accounted for righteousness.
They that admit Him, He will also admit them, and also vindicate them.
And they that do not admit Him, He will not admit, but condemn.
By faith even children, fools, and the simple minded are spared from the Day of destruction. but woe to the crafty, to those wise in their own eyes, who lacking faith say; When we see, then we will believe.

Anat · 12-30-2005, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by premjan

As God is an unverified hypothesis we might as well lay the secular interpretation on the laws, by looking for their utility. If we behave as if there is a God, this may also satisfy a secular purpose.

The point is, these are *religious* laws. They can serve their intended purpose regardless of secular purpose. And one can say that the psychological value of ceremonial behavior serves a secular purpose regardless of the content of the ceremony.

Anat · 12-30-2005, 11:40 AM

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Well, I can't do a comparison because I haven't been around pigs, so I have no idea of the relative filthyness. And admittedly (and thankfully!), I was just visiting the hatchery. But from what I saw and what my grandfather said, I just can't think of chickens as being "clean" in any sense. I am lucky that my dad hated chickens or I might have grown up in that stench.

Kosher chicken is supposed to have a lower bacterial load than the non-kosher variety, because kashrut forbids warming the meat before it is bleeded with salt, thus the procedure of using warm water to remove the feathers isn't allowed. As a result however, kosher chicken tends to look like it needs a shave.

premjan · 12-30-2005, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Anat

The point is, these are *religious* laws. They can serve their intended purpose regardless of secular purpose. And one can say that the psychological value of ceremonial behavior serves a secular purpose regardless of the content of the ceremony.

Do you consider the intended purpose to be a religious one?

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premjan Obsessed Contributor Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 61,538	Do you have a picture (of shrimp shit?) I ate some prawns a few days ago (another thing to cut out).

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