jkhuss1

You said that the word in Isaiah 7:14 was Almah. . . Now you say that it was Parthenos in the LXX Version of Isaiah. . . But My Version doesn't use Parthenos it uses Elem which means VIRGIN

עַלְמָה THIS IS HOW YOU SPELL IT!

At any rate Jesus was born of a Virgin and He was Born of the Holy Ghost, Born above sin, and lived a life well pleasing to His Heavenly Father. . .

He was Born of a Virgin - no matter how you spell it.

show_no_mercy

lol

From my dictionary, virgin is בתולה which is "bethulah". You can tell because the first letter is "b" which is "ב".

Here it says "almah"
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1007.htm

Here it says "almah"
http://translate.google.com/translat...|young%20woman

And just for kicks, here it says "bethula" or "virgin":
http://translate.google.com/translat...w#en|iw|virgin

Here's another dictionary you can use:

http://www.stars21.com/translator/en...to_hebrew.html

Well, you might want to try again, because what you quoted is pronounced as "almah". Which means "young woman" or "maiden". Maybe consult some Hebrew scholars? Go down to your local synagogue and ask them how to pronounce it? But I doubt they would agree with your pronunciation of עַלְמָה as "bethulah", especially since no "b" is in the word you quoted. And it can't be "elem" because the word ends with ה which is an "h" sound.

ETA: "elem" (עלם) is the masculine form of "almah" which means "youth" or "young man" http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/...s=H05958&t=KJV

Here is Proverbs 30:19, which uses the same word "almah":
Proverbs 30:19 in Hebrew:
http://mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt2830.htm

This is a statement of faith, not textual criticism. According to the text, Isaiah 7 has nothing to do with a prophecy about the messiah; it has to do with Isaiah pleading with Ahaz to not make alliances with the Assyrians to defeat Ahaz's enemies. Matthew was just looking for "cool quotes" to quote mine from his LXX when he created the birth narrative. Matthew couldn't read Hebrew, and didn't care about context of the debate between Ahaz and Isaiah in regards to the Assyrians. He could only read the Greek LXX version of Isaiah 7:14 which does say "virgin" in Greek. That's an error on the part of the translators of the LXX.

Hopefully lurkers will find these posts informative. Doesn't seem like I'm getting through.

jkhuss1

Mechon Mamre is attached to these associations:
Talmud, Midrash, Rabbinics, and Kabbalah

Mechon Mamre gives their interpretation of the True word of God in a rejective stance against Christ Jesus.
Kabbalah is a Mystic Cultist organization that stands against the Messiah.
The Talmud is a false doctrine. . .
Mechon Mamre have reinterpreted the truth of the Scripture in order to destroy foundational Christian truths as found in the Living Word of God. . .

When you dig for truth - Don't go to liars. . .

You started out saying one thing and you've finished saying something else. . .

Nevertheless you've not refuted the soundness of all that has been revealed in these fact. You've only stood against the word Virgin. . . Which says what it says and means what it says and points to what it says it points to. . .

jkhuss1

I do see an Error in my digging. . .

'Elem and Almah are Reversed in how I was showing them. . .

Almah is the Feminine of 'Elem. . .

I dug back into that and see the error. . .

It is like Ish and Ishah. . . Man and Woman. . .


Almah ("עלמה") or plural: alamot ("עלמות") is a Hebrew feminine noun, for a girl who has reached puberty but is still under the shielding protection of her family; she is a young, marriageable (i.e. unmarried) girl. In Bibles, almah is typically translated as virgin, maiden, young woman, damsel or girl. For theological reasons, the meaning and definition of this word (especially the definition of "virgin") can be controversial, particularly when applied to Isaiah 7:14.

Sorry I got these words mixed up. . .
But it is still the same controversial statement. . .
I havn't veered from it - I only misinterpreted a language I never learned. . .

xaxxat

No shit!!!

Stick around here for awhile and see what else you haven't learned...

:devil:

jkhuss1

I really do hope to learn your vulgar interpretations of abolutely nothing at all. . .

That way I can teach everybody everything that you know. . .

And I hope to do that quickly, so please write it all down. . .

show_no_mercy

Consider that the early Christians couldn't read Hebrew; they all relied on the LXX. Why would you depend on Hebrew-illiterate Jews and Christians to properly read Hebrew scriptures? I'm certainly going to rely on people who can actually read Hebrew for the proper interpretation, and not Christians who could only read Greek.

Jewish-Christians who actually could read Hebrew didn't believe in the virgin birth and divinity of Jesus. Both of those concepts depend wholly on a non-Hebrew (e.g. Greek) reading of the Hebrew text.

Johnny Skeptic

If God favors Jews, why have they been persecuted by so many people? The Philistines defeated the Jews in battles many times. Nebuchadnezzar persecuted the Jews. During the early part of the second century, Titus went to Palestine to put down a Jewish uprising and killed 500,000 Jews.

jkhuss1

John 15:19 (KJV)
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

jkhuss1

The Ebionites were not Jewish Christians. . .

Jesus started the Church with the 12 disciples and the Birthing of the Church on the day of Penticost was in the HOLY GHOST. . . Jesus even told Nichodemus that you must be born of the Spirit in order to see the Kingdom of Heaven. . . That which is flesh is flesh and that which is Spirit is Spirit. . . Jesus was Born From Above, Born of the Holy Ghost, Born as Peter said, "Of the Incorruptible Word of God." For those who are Christians, it is simple to beleive that Jesus was Born of a Virgin. . . I have been born again by the Holy Ghost just as Jesus said in John 3:3.

I see what I have experienced to be fact - something that cannot be disqualified by anothers words. . .

Peter said to Jesus, "You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God."

Jesus said, "Upon this ROCK I will build my Church. . ."