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Rick Sumner · 09-18-2004, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Kirby

One could say that; however, I woudn't. The author must have known about the double meaning, and the expression has the most force understood as an intentional double entendre, which is how most scholars of John [proficient in Greek] see it (and find that the author of John has a liking to using words where both meanings fit). In any case, I don't know how such a person could argue and not just claim that it is inaccurate that the author had "again" in mind.

As a somewhat unrelated aside, in my own efforts to learn Hellenist Greek, I've more than once experienced difficulty discerning whether double entendre's are intended, rather than coincidental. Are you aware of any good discussions of how to make that distinction?

Regards,
Rick Sumner

Angyson · 09-30-2004, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Sumner

As a somewhat unrelated aside, in my own efforts to learn Hellenist Greek, I've more than once experienced difficulty discerning whether double entendre's are intended, rather than coincidental. Are you aware of any good discussions of how to make that distinction?

Regards,
Rick Sumner

I speak Hellenist Greek and can assure you that the double entendres are vicious. I entered a Greek restaurant where the owner greeted me with the word 'malaka'. I was pissed until a Greek waittress noticed my discomfort and explained such insults are often used to greet a friend, especially a close friend.

Toto · 09-30-2004, 11:46 PM

Malaka is a single entendre.

spin · 10-01-2004, 12:44 AM

malaka

Angyson · 10-01-2004, 12:55 PM

Shutting Down.

funinspace · 10-01-2004, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Angyson

There are Greek words that have a double entendre which you will not find in any text. Greeks laugh at the notion that a foreigher could ever master the language cause of this.

lol...You ever read the Lord's Prayer written in 1200-1400's English? It's almost unrecognizable. Now take a statement made by some radical sage 2000 years ago, spoken in Aramaic or maybe Hebrew; orally passed along for 30-60 years; then written down in Ancient Greek; copied for 100-200 years before we got our final copies. :rolling: And you want to split hairs on secondary meanings...

Spin (or other well informed persons), could you give a SWAG at how much Greek has changed in 2000 years compared to what I/others might recognize in 700 years of the evolution of English?

CX · 10-04-2004, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Angyson

I speak Hellenist Greek and can assure you that the double entendres are vicious. I entered a Greek restaurant where the owner greeted me with the word 'malaka'. I was pissed until a Greek waittress noticed my discomfort and explained such insults are often used to greet a friend, especially a close friend.

I'm not sure what you mean by Hellenist greek. But KOINE Greek is nearly unrecognizable from modern Greek.

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