Toto

Actually, they did for a bit. They worshiped a golden calf - which is a representation of the rising sun. (In Egyptian cosmology, the sun is born as a golden calf at sunrise, matures as it crosses the sky, and gives birth to a new calf after it sets.)


The bull that Mithras slayed in the heavens was not historical. Think about it.

outhouse

wrong

the key word is bulls not bull.


they sacrificed and ate them. thats not mythology thats whats for dinner

outhouse

Come on dude your better then this.


the golden calf exist only in literature, and has zero historicity and if anything it reflects El and possibly Apis. El was the major deity [the father] of the bible a long with Yahweh [the son]. this was written at redacted a time of emerging monotheism and rejection of El, Baal and Asherah.

Early Israelites were not that advanced and did not worship the sun the way your are imagining. And its evident in all scripture that they worshipped Yahweh. Even when they were polytheistic they never worshipped the sun EVER. Their view was that their gods controlled and CREATED the sun.



and if your trying to make some BS connection to Apis with sun worship your fooling yourself and misrepresenting facts to people on this board

Toto

Not that advanced? No idea what this is about.

In any case, there were a variety of Hebrew practices that have some faint reflection in the OT, and there were more practices from the Hellenistic period that are not reflected.

My only point is that you can't conclude that something violates Jewish practice recorded in the Hebrew scriptures, therefore Christians would not have done that. Christians had the broader Hellenistic culture to draw on.

outhouse

And I undertsand how there are simularities to mithras and early christians as far as hellenistic influences.


but sun worship was never part of the ancient hebrews or the christian movement when it was still within judaism, Or any time for that matter.

Sun worship was more of a minor point in Mithras and you know how contested that is in its own field. But the bull was not a substitute for the sun and was of its own deity

Toto

How does that make the bull that Mithras slew a historical bull?

What's next, the quest for the historical Mithras and his historical barbeque???

Kapyong

Why do you believe deaths can only happen on earth?

What about Osiris?
Or Mithras slaying the bull?
What about the Acension of Isaiah which apparently has Jesus crucified in the heavenly sphere beneath the moon ?

As others have mentioned.


K.

arnoldo

Ehram presents an argument in a lecture entitled Text and Tradition: The Role of the Manuscripts in Early Christian Studies that suggest that gnostics interpreted the Epistle to the Hebrews to indicate a spiritual rather than earthly Christ. A key part of Ehram’s argument is that in Hebrews 2:9 a phrase had originally stated that Jesus experienced death apart from God. Ehram states that gnostics would use this verse to argue that the divine Christ had left Jesus before he died. To counter this view Hebrews 2:9 was allegedly altered to indicate that Jesus experienced death by the grace of God. Ehram writes;

Is Ehram wrong?

outhouse

I was wrong on that.

my misreading on the mythical sacrifice, as a physical one. My apologies


so little is known within this cult figured I was safe

outhouse

Still may be safe

they say the mithras may have farmed out the sacrifice to a victimarius, which was normal in roman religions.

since they were a feasting cult its highly probably beef was on the menu, we just have a lack of evidence as in no altar. but with victimarius as being common, a sacrificial meal was probably delivered as animal bones have been found in their sites