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Solitary Man · 04-17-2008, 12:02 PM

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It's also full of real history.

Last time I checked, the only facts in the Iliad that are considered undisputed are (1) Troy existed at the time in question (13th century BCE, plus or minus a bit), (2) it fought some wars and lost them, and (3) some Greek forces were probably involved in at least one of those wars.

Then you really haven't checked much into the facts, have you? Go watch the BBC special, if you can't afford the time to read a good book on the subject.

Toto · 04-17-2008, 12:33 PM

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Last time I checked, the only facts in the Iliad that are considered undisputed are (1) Troy existed at the time in question (13th century BCE, plus or minus a bit), (2) it fought some wars and lost them, and (3) some Greek forces were probably involved in at least one of those wars.

Then you really haven't checked much into the facts, have you? Go watch the BBC special, if you can't afford the time to read a good book on the subject.

Could you give a fuller reference to a good book? Is the BBC special you refer to The Truth of Troy?

squiz · 04-17-2008, 03:04 PM

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There are some major differences between the transmission of the NT and the Classics. For the first couple of hundred years or so, the NT was copied by amateurs, who made many more mistakes when compared to dedicated scribes.

I wonder what the evidence for these claims might be. I have a feeling that you are perhaps repeating something from somewhere here? How do we know this?

I was paraphrasing Ehrman. Sorry, but I thought it was obvious as we were talking about him and the validity of his arguments. He talks about it quite a bit. Forgot you hadn't read him, as your statements about him imply that you have.

Doug Shaver · 04-17-2008, 09:07 PM

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you really haven't checked much into the facts, have you?

I don't know. Do you have any facts to show me?

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Go watch the BBC special

What will I see if I do?

Roger Pearse · 04-18-2008, 12:00 AM

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squiz · 04-18-2008, 01:16 AM

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I don't tend to discuss books that I have not read.

No, but you slag off scholars, whose books you haven't read:

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Um, Bart Ehrman is a renegade, engaged in bashing his former religion.

Where's Jeffrey Gibson when you need him :wave:

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What I do observe, and comment on, is the effect of Ehrman's books on those who read them trustingly; as I see it in this forum. This seems to be to turn them into obscurantists who believe that ancient texts do not reach us, and to provide them with lots of stock excuses to defend this obscurantism. Can any educated person think well of any book that does that?

I think you are seriously misinterpreting what people believe and misrepresenting what Ehrman said.

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But the number of silly or mendacious books in the world is very great, and, unlike the heroic J.P.Holding, I can take no interest in them, or in the dreary task of debunking them.

The heroic J.P. Holding?

Yellum Notnef · 04-18-2008, 01:32 AM

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The heroic J.P. Holding?

Roger has some very bizarre heros.

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