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Old 02-20-2007, 03:08 PM   #31
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Since nothing can travel at more than the speed of light (and most things at much less than the speed of light), this may indicate the proximity of Heaven to earth.
Since Christians believe that Jesus body was changed, throw in a few Resurrection tachyons (from the Greek tachus meaning speedy). Tachyon Jesus would beat the pants off of light.
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According to the Scriptures, Christians will be resurrected like Jesus who is the first fruits. According to the Gospels of Luke and John, Jesus returned from the dead bearing his mortal wounds.

Does this mean that Christians who die of injury will return with ghastly open wounds also?
I always thought it more of bearing the scars i.e the mark of the spear, nails and crown of thorns will be visible but not actual bleeding or weeping wounds.
If Christ returned to his disciples with bleeding wounds it would not say much concerning his claim to be Lord over death.

What scripture reference did you have in mind exactly?
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But obviously, Jesus is resurrected in some sort of super-material, like ectoplasm. He can turn it into a wounded body FOR HIS OWN PURPOSES - to demonstrate to those clueless disciples that it's really him, although in some senses it isn't. (This doesn't make their observations unreliable for the purposes of proving that he was resurrected, because it's in the service of a higher Truth, don't you see?)

But, of course, that's just part of the theater. After that, and after eating the fish, Jesus shape shifted back into the pure warrior and few up to heaven to sit at the right hand of God until he decides to come back and destroy the earth.

It all makes sense.
And then , according to Paul, he is going to destroy his indestructible, imperishable stomach.
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But obviously, Jesus is resurrected in some sort of super-material, like ectoplasm. He can turn it into a wounded body FOR HIS OWN PURPOSES - to demonstrate to those clueless disciples that it's really him, although in some senses it isn't. (This doesn't make their observations unreliable for the purposes of proving that he was resurrected, because it's in the service of a higher Truth, don't you see?)

But, of course, that's just part of the theater. After that, and after eating the fish, Jesus shape shifted back into the pure warrior and few up to heaven to sit at the right hand of God until he decides to come back and destroy the earth.

It all makes sense.
Where did he get the clothes, and how did they go through the walls? Or wasn't he wearing any?
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Since nothing can travel at more than the speed of light
Can Jesus travel faster than the speed of light?
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And then , according to Paul, he is going to destroy his indestructible, imperishable stomach.
Steven,

Of course, you are correct! What we have seen in this thread is a recapitulation of the problems besetting a doctrine of a physical resurrection.

This is precisely the questions the Corinthians were asking.

"How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?"

Some of them had come to doubt the resurrection of the dead because a physical resurrection is plagued with difficulty, as we have seen in this thread.

But the Pauline author didn't bother to defend a physical resurrection. He taught instead a spiritual resurrection. No flesh, no bone, but a body made out of star stuff, a heavenly body.

But this doesn't help the late Gospel tales that purport to tell of a carnal resurrection with gaping wounds in the hands large enough to insert a finger, and a huge wound on the side large enough to insert the entire hand. (John 20:25) Tigers! take note. All the objections noted here still stand.

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But this doesn't help the late Gospel tales that purport to tell of a carnal resurrection with gaping wounds in the hands large enough to insert a finger, and a huge wound on the side large enough to insert the entire hand. (John 20:25) Tigers! take note. All the objections noted here still stand.

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Two quibbles
1. the biblical reference of John 20:25 only says "and put my hand into his side". This does not necessarily mean that Thomas was expecting a hole in Christ's side big enough to put in this hand. It could mean a) I want to feel the scar/wound of the spear or b) he was merely emphasising his belief that he would not believe unless he could touch Christ's living flesh.
2. I was actually after the reference to "1st fruits"
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Since nothing can travel at more than the speed of light
You are absolutely certain of that?
There have been a lot of things that men once believed and declared to be impossible, because of their lack of knowledge.
Things which have been long decreed impossible, have since came to pass so many times, how surprising should it be, if yet one more icon of human ignorance should fall upon its face?
With men faster than light travel is impossible, however with ' ' ' ' all things are possible, and nothing impossible.
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You are absolutely certain of that?
There have been a lot of things that men once believed and declared to be impossible, because of their lack of knowledge.
Things which have been long decreed impossible, have since came to pass so many times, how surprising should it be, if yet one more icon of human ignorance should fall upon its face?
With men faster than light travel is impossible, however with ' ' ' ' all things are possible, and nothing impossible.
Is this serious? Because, if so, it only provides a bit more entertainment for my intentionally (and hopefully successfully, to some degree) humorous post a bit more entertaining...as a follow up that took it seriously and went from there.

Or, perhaps I should just point out that my post was (I thought obviously) not intended seriously, was not making any serious scientific or knowledge claims.

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With men faster than light travel is impossible, however with ' ' ' ' all things are possible, and nothing impossible.
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