Solo

Good link - thanks.

I suppose, based on what you just told me, that the assaults on the Temple were a common occurence, even as they are today in regions where religion still stirs great passions (e.g. the assault on the Grand Mosque in Mecca - heavily guarded since btw - by al-Utaybi's cronies in 1979, and Sant Jarmal's Singh Bhindranwale's troopers occupation of the Golden Temple in Amritsar in 1984). Neither of these names is a household name, btw, although some fanatical following still worships them.

Incidentally, Mohammed was expelled from Mecca after he (acting through his militants as was his habit) started to disrupt religious gatherings of the established faith in that city.

Jiri

Malachi151

Thanks for providing us with more mythology

Malachi151

I take this to mean that they once looked for a human savior, but now Paul has come to the realization that Jesus Christ is not a human being, he is a spirtual entity, and thus they are no longer looking for a human savior.

I find that this further supports Earl's case.

Solo

Are you referring to the two recent attacks on holy shrines or on the incidents around Mohammed's fighting the "polytheists" in the praying glens around Mecca (The Life of the Prophet, tr. from Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah, A.Guillaume, Oxford UP, 1955, p.118) ?



Jiri

Wacky Prune

The Quran and Hadith -- claims Jesus lived as a human, but not as "son of God."

Apikorus

The Qur'an was written 600 years after the notional time of Jesus, and the Hadiths even later. They are irrelevant to the discussion.

Wacky Prune

Well, does being it written later make it unreliable? The Bible was also written years after the crucifixion.

I don't know why anyone is even questioning his existence. All history textbooks portray in as an actual historical figure. There is as much proof for Jesus's existence as there is for Socrates and Siddharta Gautama.

Solo

...and to find that meaning you have to ignore Paul's assertion that Jesus was born of a woman, under the law (Gal 4:4) and that his actions were not justified under the law, given by crossreferenced Paul's sayings in the post from which you are quoting .

I don't think that surprises anyone.

Jiri

Doug Shaver

I don't know about Gautama, but Socrates' existence is somewhat better attested.
http://dougshaver.com/christ/socrates/socrates.html

Malachi151

I'm talking about Mohammad. Every story about Mohammad is also mythology.

This is true, but this doesn't come from any historical basis, and their accounts of Jesus are nothing more than apocryphal gospels. This is a position taken by the Muslims based on theological grounds, they don't have any more reliable information about Jesus than anyone else, and their stories have even more outlandish miracles actually.