winstonjen

Yes, but you should have clarified that. From what you said, there was no other way to interpret your statement.

Darth Dane

So you assumed, instead of asking.


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ashe

Darth, how can you know whether anything is truly good or evil, given what you have said above?

If you think about this at length, you will see that this undermines your entire belief system. For clarity, an example:

Maybe the Bible is evil. Maybe it isn't. We don't really know. OOPS.

BTW, the OP post can be rewritten to say 'God' or 'angels' instead of Jesus, so you can't wriggle away that easily.

ashe

Darth Dane

Darth, how can you know whether anything is truly good or evil, given what you have said above?

Luke: How will I know the good side form the dark side?
Yoda: You will know, when you are calm and at peace.

I know I nothing know, Socrates said. You have to believe, and your belief(faith) will/can move mountains.

That is, you can't get an "objective" proof. Enligtened beings, can't write or say anything that will explain how an orange tastes. You have to taste it yourself. When you have tasted it, you can see in the words they did say, why they used the words they did use.


If you think about this at length, you will see that this undermines your entire belief system.

It doesn't undermine mine.

For clarity, an example:

Maybe the Bible is evil. Maybe it isn't. We don't really know. OOPS.

Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe. St. Augustine.

BTW, the OP post can be rewritten to say 'God' or 'angels' instead of Jesus, so you can't wriggle away that easily.

ashe

And where do we find the word "God" or "angels"? In the bible right?






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winstonjen

No it can't, but explosives can.

Or in the imaginations of people.

Darth Dane

No it can't, but explosives can.


Fair enough, I haven't seen it done, so I don't know if ti can or not.

Explosives can.

Or in the imaginations of people.

Indeed. But if it is imaginary, then the OP is pointless. Jesus doesn't exist, so Jesus couldn't have done anything.

If you ask a lot of theists, as to how God or Jesus could allow such things, while at teh same time completely discounting the Bible(or other texts) how can you get an answer that will be better than any other. Your own is then as valid as a theists.


Edit: if you know your answer is as valid as a theists, why do you ask?






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Biff the unclean

Duuuuh! Earth to Darth...come in.
That's the point!!!!
If Jesus doesn't exist he couldn't do anything...and nothing was done.

If he did exist he is without sin. To be able to stop a crime but stand back and let it happen is a sin of omission...by Jesus' own rules. But the crime wasn't stopped.
Xians set up rules and personalities for their imaginary characters and then make excuses why they don't follow them.
There's nothing mysterious about gods ways. He acts exactly like every other fictional character...no mystery at all.

Darth Dane

If he did exist he is without sin. To be able to stop a crime but stand back and let it happen is a sin of omission...by Jesus' own rules. But the crime wasn't stopped.

By Jesus' Rules? Ok, lets sepearate christianity from the teachings of Christ, because that is not the same class room, imho.

Xians set up rules and personalities for their imaginary characters and then make excuses why they don't follow them.
There's nothing mysterious about gods ways. He acts exactly like every other fictional character...no mystery at all.

Fictional characther doesn't move, they are fictional.

If you think Jesus is fictional why do you, and others, even ask about these things?

If you don't know if Jesus is real or not, then I see the relevance of the questions, but if you already know....







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Biff the unclean

We ask so that we can help people like you.
They are rhetorical questions; we already know the answers to them. Their purpose is to get you to think. To get you to compare your claims to logic and reality so that you will see that they do not hold up.

Darth Dane

We ask so that we can help people like you.

What kind of person am I and what help do I need and for what?



They are rhetorical questions; we already know the answers to them. Their purpose is to get you to think. To get you to compare your claims to logic and reality so that you will see that they do not hold up.

What if, and we can't check this of course, pre-birth we decided to try to be a shoesalesman or a clerk or a doctor or a rapist or a murderer, knowing full well that we all agreed on it pre-birth. So that we can all try every ride in the carneval. Some want to try everything they can, every possible way of life has to be tried.

Some will try to ruin the fun for others, like giving away a spoiler to a movie. Others want to cheer people to enjoy life, because it is so short(we are of course eternal on the other side)


Like you and I agreed pre-birth, to have this discussion, because we haven't had this conversation before.

Imagine that after having lived a good life for many lives, you have a craving to know what it feels like to be shot and die.






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