Mageth

It is your message, as you've posted it here on this board. Jesus is not posting on this board, you are. So Jesus didn't say anything here. Now defend it.

You clearly indicated by your words that you think Jesus is "the way." I, and others, asked you "what is the way?" and "the way to what?" What is the way? Why is Jesus the way?

You asked someone to tell you more about "why you think Jesus is not the way." Buck up and tell us more about why you think Jesus is "the way." And what hell "the way" is. And why you don't think other claims to be "the way" are not the way?

If you toss around ambiguities, you'll need to (and be asked to) define and defend them.

Wayne Delia

One of those missing answers is whether God exists. Since you presuppose God exists along with His level of knowledge, you've got the cart waaay before the horse - you're begging the question.

That's because you can detect the existence of the wind with other measurements besides visual perception. A stick, embedded in the ground, with a strip of rag tacked to the top, can reliably indicate the presence and relative speed of wind. What instruments do you use to detect the presence of your God?

I have a hard time believing in God entirely, due to the lack of evidence that any gods actually exist.

WMD

aa5874

I don't use drugs because I know Jesus won't help me to quit.

aa5874

I don't use drugs because I know Jesus won't help me to quit. Believing Jesus could make me quit, would probably mess me up.

Clete

Yet another example of how religion helps people avoid responsibility for their own actions.

FatherMithras

Way to ignore what I said. We know what the message you think yor make believe character said is. We know it, probably better than you do, since most of us have intensely studied our religion. I'm even becoming quite adept at scrpture quoting. Regardless, this isn't the place to preach. It's a place for discussion. If you don't want to have a meaningful discussion, why are you even here? Do you honestly think saying the same crap over and over is going to convert someone? It just makes you look like you can't reply and have nothing to say. Jeezus Christ!

aa5874

There is no document present in the known world with anything that Jesus said. You are not reading the posts. Nobody knows who wrote anything in the Christian Bible.

There appears to be people who have faith that they will go to Hell, if they don't believe in Jesus, you seem to be one of them.

lenrek

Let's try this thread at BC&H. Thread move from EoG to BC&H

Queen of Swords

I believe Jesus said something about not using "vain repetitions" in your prayers. He should have told his followers not to do this with their proselytizing either, though I think you would have ignored this command as you ignore everything except that which you wish to misinterpret.

XOVER

What do you mean by this statement, JesusFollower?:

Do you mean something like this?:

If you're walking in a forest and happen to find, say, a watch, you can deduce that the watch was created. That the watch just could not have somehow 'come together' piece-by-piece by sheer chance without the intervention of a builder, a designer, a creator. A creator who designed and crafted the internal gears and parts with exquisite skill and precision so that the second hand moves second-by-second, then moving the minute hand, then the hour hand, so carefully, so accurately, in such way that the watch simply could not have come together by mere happenstance.

And just as we can deduce that the watch found in the forest was created, so we can also deduce that a person, or a tree, or the earth, or the universe also had to have a creator -- these examples being equally complex, form fitting function, like the watch, so that these things also could not just have 'come together,' piece-by-piece, by sheer chance. For example, a person: The eyes of the human so obviously made for seeing, the person having two arms for grasping, with a mind that can reason and understand, and, like the watch, the person so obviously well-functioning, internal organs in such harmony, such as a stomach to digest food, that the person must have been created just as we know the watch was created.

And the creator of these "things" is God -- hence the "evidence" of God being "everywhere" as "revealed" by the "things" he has made?

Is this the crux of what you mean by the quoted statement of yours? I'm thinking this is your basic argument, but it is difficult to tell for sure without additional feedback from you.

Or do you mean something else? And if so, can you flesh out a bit more of what these "things" are that "He made" that you claim "God has revealed Himself" so that we can better understand what "evidence of God" it is that you are talking about?