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Old 03-06-2010, 10:15 PM   #481
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Update re the debate....

http://vridar.wordpress.com/2010/03/...james-mcgrath/

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Assumptions of historicity (in part a response to James McGrath)

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What does one do when one engages in a dialogue in a particular forum and the other party seizes a reply and plasters it as “mythicist quote of the day” on his blog post — without so much as a request for clarification or permission (this is not a blog post, but a conversational series of comments) — and this person also had initially insisted he was genuinely interested in understanding another point of view?

Allow me to explain why I think so many arguments for the historical Jesus are based on an assumption of historicity.
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And so it continues....


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Sunday, March 7, 2010

Intelligently-Designed Narratives: Mythicism as History-Stopper


But even if I were to grant that Neil Godfrey's recent arguments against E. P. Sanders wee persuasive, all they would have accomplished so far is to indicate that the evidence is inconclusive regarding the historicity of these particular incidents and sayings. In order to conclude that these stories are most likely not historical, we need some further argument. In short, there needs to be a willingness to discuss the designer(s).

http://exploringourmatrix.blogspot.c...arratives.html
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And so it continues....


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James McGrath

Sunday, March 7, 2010

Intelligently-Designed Narratives: Mythicism as History-Stopper


But even if I were to grant that Neil Godfrey's recent arguments against E. P. Sanders wee persuasive, all they would have accomplished so far is to indicate that the evidence is inconclusive regarding the historicity of these particular incidents and sayings. In order to conclude that these stories are most likely not historical, we need some further argument. In short, there needs to be a willingness to discuss the designer(s).

http://exploringourmatrix.blogspot.c...arratives.html
But, it is the very inconclusive evidence of historicity that DRIVES and fundamentally motivates the mythicist and his case for MJ.

Inconclusive evidence of guilt must help those who proclaim innocency, likewise inconclusive evidence of historicity must help those who propagate non-historicity.

The game is over for HJ. The MJ is a far better case.
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Old 03-07-2010, 02:22 PM   #484
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Sunday, March 7, 2010

Intelligently-Designed Narratives: Mythicism as History-Stopper


But even if I were to grant that Neil Godfrey's recent arguments against E. P. Sanders wee persuasive, all they would have accomplished so far is to indicate that the evidence is inconclusive regarding the historicity of these particular incidents and sayings. In order to conclude that these stories are most likely not historical, we need some further argument. In short, there needs to be a willingness to discuss the designer(s).

http://exploringourmatrix.blogspot.c...arratives.html
SO James McGrath throws down Sanders as a challenge, claiming mythicists can't argue with stuff of that quality. Historicists have such fantastic arguments that mythicists can't even take them on.

And when Sanders lies in a pool of blood, McGrath claims it means nothing that his prize fighter has been beaten.
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It's only a flesh wound. . .
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We might say that nobody is willing and prepared to discuss Constantine and Eusebius (the Editor-In-Chief of the very first widely published bibles) in their role and function as "designers of the new testament canon".


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Sunday, March 7, 2010

Intelligently-Designed Narratives: Mythicism as History-Stopper


But even if I were to grant that Neil Godfrey's recent arguments against E. P. Sanders wee persuasive, all they would have accomplished so far is to indicate that the evidence is inconclusive regarding the historicity of these particular incidents and sayings. In order to conclude that these stories are most likely not historical, we need some further argument. In short, there needs to be a willingness to discuss the designer(s).

http://exploringourmatrix.blogspot.c...arratives.html
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What part of your brain do you have to disable to get a PhD in NT studies?
The part which deals with the historical evidence. New Testament archaeology appears to start with Constantine's mother Helena's fortuitous "discovery" of the One True Cross and the One True set of 6 inch nails. After a quick mention of the "Holy Grail" the brain parts and moves straight through to Oded Galan's "James Ossuary".
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We might say that nobody is willing and prepared to discuss Constantine and Eusebius (the Editor-In-Chief of the very first widely published bibles) in their role and function as "designers of the new testament canon".

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On the contrary, we have discussed it here ad nauseum. Please do not hijack any more threads with your hobby horse.
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The OP and HJ supporter in James McGrath states above ....

In order to conclude that these stories are most likely not historical, we need some further argument. In short, there needs to be a willingness to discuss the designer(s).


What do you think he means?
The "designer(s)" of what?
Surely the "designers of the NT and its history".


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We might say that nobody is willing and prepared to discuss Constantine and Eusebius (the Editor-In-Chief of the very first widely published bibles) in their role and function as "designers of the new testament canon".

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On the contrary, we have discussed it here ad nauseum. Please do not hijack any more threads with your hobby horse.
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The OP and HJ supporter in James McGrath states above ....

In order to conclude that these stories are most likely not historical, we need some further argument. In short, there needs to be a willingness to discuss the designer(s).

What do you think he means?
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He means to insult mythicists by comparing mythicism to Intelligent Design.
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