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Old 02-03-2008, 03:11 PM   #21
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What explanation is needed? The State of Israel will soon build another Jewish Temple, that is self evident.

Didn't seem so self evident to your buddy sugarhitman.
So, arnoldo, is the Temple described in Ezekiel 40-48, that one that was built following the Babylonian captivity? (usually referred to as the "Second Temple", you know the one that the Romans destroyed?)
OR was Ezekiel describing a "Third Temple" that one that you are here alleging is yet to be built? Sounds like you and the 'HITman really need to have a talk.
Not at all. There is a New Jerusalem which will have no temple.

Then just what Temple were YOU referring to in; "The State of Israel will soon build another Jewish Temple, that is self evident."
Certainly not "New Jerusalem" right? then just how and where does your "self evident" next "Jewish Temple" fit within your scheme?
Your attempts at evasion are not making any sense.

edited to add; "New Jerusalem" is not what I inquired of you about, The question concerned "the Temple described in Ezekiel 40-48 "
Please address the subject of the Temple which is described in Ezekiel 40-48.
Perhaps if you would take a little time out of posting to actually study your bible, you would realise that the Temple description given in Ezekiel 40-48 is unique and does not fit the description of any past Temple built or known of.
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Will it be the temple as described in Ezekiel? Will God live in it and require daily sacrifice for sin? Do you honestly believe modern Jews will sacrifice lambs and goats today?

Prophecy isn't about building a structure. This building is described in detail from God's lips. I assume you take the bible as God's word.

If God intended to send Jesus all along as his plan of salvation (since before time began), then why would God dictate these detailed plans for God's house in Jerusalem to include daily animal sacrifice for sin atonement to his prophet Ezekiel? Why would he do that?

I think you need to study the prophecies about the millenium.
You're delusional. Or just flat out stubborn.

You want to talk about the millenium? ok, let's talk about it.

Revelation 20 describes the 1000 years reign. Satan is bound for 1000 years at the beginning of the chapter. As we read along, verse 7 tells us Satan will be released at the end of the 1000 years. Why? Who knows, except for the fact that if he wasn't it wouldn't make for a good, classical myth.

So the Devil is released and what does he do? He gathers the nations of gog and magog for battle against Jerusalem (verses 7-9).

But wait.. Ezekiel already describes gog/magog waging battle against Jerusalem where God rains fire on them (Ezekiel 39:6).

Are you going to tell us that the armies of gog and magog will have two separate assaults on Israel? Really? And God destroys them with fire both times?

Because according to your "millenium" reign, the final battle of gog/magog where Satan joins the fight against Jerusalem comes AFTER the 1000 year reign of Christ. This is because Satan isn't released to gather the nations of gog and magog until after the millenium.

What does Ezekiel's temple have to do with the millenium? According to Ezekiel (and Revelation), this temple isn't built until after the end of the millenium. After Satan is destroyed. But apparently sin still isn't destroyed at that time.
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I'm not Hagee or Lindsey. And If 'christian' Britian was so for Israel then why did they brake thier promise and gave the land promised to the Jews to Transjordan?
Britain broke its word to everyone. However, the Jews were not promised Transjordan.

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Indeed why does Britian have a terrible record for Anti-Semitism?
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History - don't be afraid of it; you might actually learn something.
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Old 02-03-2008, 09:57 PM   #24
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If the U.N. is so christian why are they so hostile towards God and Israel (The U.N. Charter does not recognize God)?
1. Lack of recognition is not hostility.

2. You want the UN to recognize Buddha and Muhammad also? Or just the gods you happen to favor?

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And if God does not work through Kings or governments to help Israel, then what was the point of him working through Cyrus of Medo-Persia (that He predicted He would use in Isaiah by the way)?
1. After-the-fact rationalization.
2. There was no "Medo-Persia".

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If the so-called christian nations helped Israel, why didn't they fight with Israel in the war of independence.
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2. You're the one claiming they didn't anyhow - got proof for that?

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Heck why did Israel have to fight anyway.
Thieves often have to fight to keep stolen goods; nothing unusual there.
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Of coure he did. Yeshua looked at the 2nd temple and prophesied that "no two stones would be left upon on another" Immediately afterward he stated "destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up." History has proven that the temple was destroyed but was raised up again.
It seems to me, this is a play on words. "this temple" refers to Jesus' body, not the physical temple made out of stones. There are other places where the character of Jesus uses intentionally misleading language like this, such as when he says to Peter "upon this stone I will build my church".

IMHO, the temple had already been destroyed by the time Mark was written.
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I cant wait for the oceans to turn to fresh water man think about the stink the rotting corpses of all those marine animals who cant live in fresh water start to pile up on the beach.
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Message to sugarhitman: Does God want everyone to believe that he can predict the future?
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I cant wait for the oceans to turn to fresh water man think about the stink the rotting corpses of all those marine animals who cant live in fresh water start to pile up on the beach.
Yeah for free seafood! Woo hoo!!
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