Jeffrey Gibson

Yep. Dyslexia.

It points to something and distinguishes it from all other powers.


Yes, but not the same referent.

Jeffrey

Toto

Calling it deictic implies that one verse refers to "this" power and the other to "that" power-ful person. But both seem to place the "power" or powerful one in Heaven. Are you trying to say that the power refers to Jesus coming on the clouds, versus a separate "powerful one"?

Sorry if this is too picky.

Even if they are not the same, doesn't the use of the same word indicate that the author was linking the two, at least in a literary sense?

Jeffrey Gibson

I have no doubt that both Mk 13:36 and Mk. 14:62 contain -- and are meant by Mark to be seen as -- allusions to Daniel or that Mark expects his readers to recall that Jesus said in Mk. 13:36 something very much like what he says in 14:62 or that Jesus is expressing his confidence that God will vindicate him and his mission publicly. But the section of Mk. 14:62 in which we find the words "the Power" is very much an allusion to Ps. 110 and is meant to be seen as such, and as such is also meant to recall Jesus' teaching about the false understanding that "the scribes" have about the nature of the Messiah and Messiahship in Mk. 12:35-37 and Jesus' teaching to his disciples at Mk 10:35-45 when they ask to be insured places at Jesus right and left hand when he comes into his "glory" -- which later is shown to be not quote what they think it is. Compare Mk. 15:27 with Mk. 10:37, 40.

Jeffrey

JoeWallack

JW:
The only thing I like better than fighting with you is analyzing "Mark" with you. While the allusion to Daniel already creates an image of Judgment note that 110 gives the explicit word:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...0;&version=31;

"6 He will judge the nations, heaping up the dead
and crushing the rulers of the whole earth."

From Mark 14 than:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...4;&version=31;

"Again the high priest asked him, "Are you the Christ,[f] the Son of the Blessed One?"

62"I am," said Jesus. "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

63The high priest tore his clothes. "Why do we need any more witnesses?" he asked. 64"You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?"

They all condemned him as worthy of death. 65Then some began to spit at him; they blindfolded him, struck him with their fists, and said, "Prophesy!" And the guards took him and beat him."

"Mark" with Ironic genius uses Jesus' prediction of his Judgment/Condemnation of the HP as the reason for the HP to Judge/Condemn Jesus. If there is anything divine about the CB it's the literary skill of "Mark".



Joseph

Jeffrey Gibson

For once we agree.

What's the temperature in hell today?

Jeffrey

JoeWallack

JW:
The defense is always better if you can wait to let someone else defend you first (just ask the HP Wright). It's the same word Jeffrey. Hell, it's the exact same word. How could you miss that when I went through the trouble of super-sizing it in red. I would have even been justified in saying "same" word even if it had different forms as long as the root was the same.

The meanings are different because of the different accompanying phrases but quick, to the Obviousmobile:

I even gave the Translations to show the different meanings.

I think "Mark" would really appreciate this as the Thread is primarily about being Falsely Accused. A subject of which I confess you are The Power, behind.



Joseph

Jeffrey Gibson

Did I say otherwise?

Nope. The meanings are different because of the use of the definite article in the latter instance and its absence in the former.

Greek 101, Joseph.

Jeffrey