aa5874

Slavonic Josephus is a POST-gospel storyline. There is no historical source that can show Slavonic Josephus was before the Jesus story was written.

GakuseiDon

Slavonic Josephus is a POST-gospel storyline. There is no historical source that can show Slavonic Josephus was BEFORE THE JESUS STORY WAS WRITTEN. It's all over for the HJ.

There, I fixed it for yaa__.

maryhelena

And what does the writer of Luke have to say?


Seeing that most scholars seem to put the gospel of John last in the list - that only leaves the gospels of Mark and Matthew as the *many* accounts of JtB and the crucified man and Pilate. Two prior accounts hardly merit the use of *many* by Luke. Seems to me that *many* were the accounts - and that leaves the door wide open for the storyline in Slavonic Josephus.

my bolding

aa5874

You are merely ASSUMING that there were ONLY four Gospels when gLuke was written.

Please state when all the Gospel stories were written and please do not leave out the "Memoirs of the Apostles" it was used in the Churches in the Middle of the 2nd century according to Justin Martyr.

It would seem that Justin Martyr knew nothing of gLuke.

maryhelena

aa5874, you know as well as I do that there is no consensus re dating the gospels...:huh: Anyway, my point re the quote from the gospel of Luke is that there were *many* accounts from which the writer of Luke was drawing upon. Seems to me you agree with Luke's statement - so I'm afraid that I miss your point here.

aa5874

Well, if you are only interested in some presumed consensus what is the point of speculating about Slavonic Josephus when you may already have a presumed consensus?

When one REVIEWS a case, the verdict is not considered, it is the evidence.

Now, can you tell me when the author of gLuke made the opening remarks in gLuke and what actual sources the author of Luke used to compile the Jesus story?

You claimed that the author of gLuke may have used Slavonic Josephus but have not provided a time period for the writing of "Slavonic Josephus".

Unless you think gLuke was written in the MEDIEVAL period then it is hardly likely "Slavonic Josephus" was a source for gLuke.

The author of gLuke may have use the "Memoirs of the Apostles" since Justin Martyr did NOT account for any author named named Luke and a passage found ONLY in gLuke can be found in the "Memoirs of the Apostles".

"Dialogue with Trypho" CV So the John the Baptist story in "Slavonic Josephus" may have been from numerous sources including gLuke and the "Memoirs of the Apostles".

maryhelena

See above re there being no consensus re dating the NT documents - so the best you can do if you are interested in such dating is - take your pick from what the scholars have presented...
I said, in regard to the quote from the gospel of Luke: Seems to me that *many* were the accounts - and that leaves the door wide open for the storyline in Slavonic Josephus. "...may have been.." - but then, on the other hand - maybe not. :thinking:

aa5874

So, what is the scholary consensus regarding the dating of "Slavonic Josephus"? Which scholar did you pick "that leaves the door wide open for the storyline in "Slavonic Josephus".

After all you should follow you own advice.

" Please name the scholar you picked which dates "Slavonic Josephus" before gLuke or Josephus.

bacht

By the time Luke-Acts appeared there may have some non-canonical gospels circulating also, like the Gospel of the Hebrews, Marcion's gospel etc. Luke seems to be reacting to the expansion of Christian literature in the 2nd C.

maryhelena

My quote that you are using referenced the gospel of Luke - see previous post.
Perhaps you might care to enlighten me - I've not seen any scholar date the material within Slavonic Josephus that deals with JtB and the wonder-worker ??