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Duvduv · 05-13-2012, 09:17 AM

Is there some law as far as you are concerned to engage in discussion by asking questions, or are participants only allowed to state their unyielding and unchanging positions over and over and over again ad nauseum without the opportunity for rethinking, discussion or bringing in new perspectives???

aa5874 · 05-13-2012, 05:50 PM

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Is there some law as far as you are concerned to engage in discussion by asking questions, or are participants only allowed to state their unyielding and unchanging positions over and over and over again ad nauseum without the opportunity for rethinking, discussion or bringing in new perspectives???

Is there some law that I cannot point out that you ask a lot of questions and speculate ad nauseum???

On these forums some think that rhetorical questions, speculation and presumptions are the way to go.

I completely disagree.

We have ENOUGH dated evidence from antiquity to resolve many issues.

Duvduv · 05-13-2012, 05:54 PM

I asked you first......!!!

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Originally Posted by Duvduv

Is there some law as far as you are concerned to engage in discussion by asking questions, or are participants only allowed to state their unyielding and unchanging positions over and over and over again ad nauseum without the opportunity for rethinking, discussion or bringing in new perspectives???

Is there some law that I cannot point out that you ask a lot of questions and speculate ad nauseum???

On these forums some think that rhetorical questions, speculation and presumptions are the way to go.

I completely disagree.

We have ENOUGH dated evidence from antiquity to resolve many issues.

aa5874 · 05-13-2012, 06:07 PM

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I asked you first......!!

! Is there a LAW that states you cannot be asked questions after you asked yours???

The Dated evidence from antiquity has already answered your questions. The Jesus stories were NOT written in the 4TH century and writings attributed to Eusebius contains many lies about Paul.

Duvduv · 05-14-2012, 03:10 PM

I DID ask you first, so I would appreciate your reply before asking me a question. Then you can restate your doctrine or dogma and ask me a question.
You know what they say, "Why do Jews always answer a question with a question?" Although I am 100% Jewish I don't seem to do that myself. ;-)

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Originally Posted by Duvduv

I asked you first......!!

! Is there a LAW that states you cannot be asked questions after you asked yours???

The Dated evidence from antiquity has already answered your questions. The Jesus stories were NOT written in the 4TH century and writings attributed to Eusebius contains many lies about Paul.

Duvduv · 05-15-2012, 05:55 PM

By the way, even in GREEK, what does "rose again" (or even "was raised again") mean? It means he had been raised once already, and after 3 days he was raised ONCE AGAIN. WHEN was he raised the FIRST TIME to rise AGAIN after 3 days?? Did Jesus die twice and get resurrected twice?

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In Romans 4:25 the author says that Jesus WAS RAISED which fits in with a letter focused originally on God's work rather than the Christ. In 1 Corinthians 15 Jesus is also RAISED from the dead. Yet in all the Creeds of the 4th century Jesus ROSE on the third day.

And when it comes to according to the scriptures the Antioch creeds only refer to the virgin birth being according to the scriptures, meaning Isaiah 7:14. Yet, none of the creeds describe Jesus as the fulfillment of the prophets as the Davidic messiah/seed of David.

So it makes one wonder whether the explicit reference to rising from the dead according to the scriptures in the Constantinople Creed was the impetus for it to appear in 1 Corinthians 15:4 or vice versa, especially given the fact that the epistle does not mention a virgin birth "according to the scripture".

To make it even more confusing, WHY did neither the gospels, Constantinople Creed or 1 Corinthians 15 choose not to name WHICH scripture refers to his rising on the third day which is Hosea 6:2, which has nothing to do with resurrection. Indeed, all Jewish commentaries explain that this refers to a prophecy of the suffering of the destruction of the two temples and the third temple. Be that as it may, one can only wonder why the THREE DAY period was so important in relation to the resurrection, since it would still be important whether it was after 1 day or 5 days.

Sheshbazzar · 05-16-2012, 05:29 AM

Six half's.

Duvduv · 05-16-2012, 10:02 AM

What does that mean? Does it have something to do with the grammar of "raised AGAIN" or with "according to the scriptures"?? Or to Hosea 6:2?
By the way, was the resurrection of the davidic messiah only supported by this one verse? And why doesn't any epistle or creed say that he was the promised Davidic Messiah "according to the Scriptures"??!

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Six half's.

Sheshbazzar · 05-19-2012, 05:04 AM

All are mattters for you to figure out. May you find the answers that you can live with.

shesh batzer ha'm'sefar.

Duvduv · 05-20-2012, 10:56 AM

Sorry, Shesh. I don't follow you.
All I was trying to look at was how the creeds viewed their Christ in relation to the Hebrew Bible per "according to the Scriptures" where we find the creeds referring to being raised *again* supposedly per Hosea 6, and being born of the virgin which is ostensibly Isaiah 14:7.

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All are mattters for you to figure out. May you find the answers that you can live with.

shesh batzer ha'm'sefar.

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