Baidarka

Beanpie- "ANY perdentage"
Beanpie- It is true that, we are all from Black. That does not mean we are all Black, though.
There must be 2 Beanies. I can think of no other possible explanation for this contradiction.
We all have an African origin!
We all have some Black ancestry.
Any percentage of Black ancestry no mater how small makes one Black!
Therefore all humans (even Scandinavians)are Black!

Beanie there is no way out of this one. You are my Bro and I love you!

Baidarka

Beanpie- I certainly harbor no hate, towards Caucasians.

No but you do think that we are " a White race of devils " created by an evil dwarf scientist.

Beanie why are you allowing your mind to be poisoned by 2 dead white hate mongers?

Religion is the means by which the dead tyrannize the living! Wake Up!

beanpie

SOME HAVE CALLED ELIJAH MUHAMMAD(PBUH) A RACIST. PARTLY FOR
REFERRING TO THE WHITE RACE AS "DEVILS". BELOW IS WHAT HIS DEFINITION
WAS. IN IN HIS OWN WORDS.


What Is The Meaning Of "a Devil"?
I would like to know exactly what did Elijah
Muhammad(pbuh) mean by the word "devil" ?




As-Salaam Alaikum: The Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught that ..."any
life
germ from original is Devil. Basically, any grafted thing can be
considered a
devil. You can have a devil cat out there, etc... But
Satan - Satan means one who's wickedness is not
confined to one's self, but spreads and it affects others."

I hope this is clear As-Salaam Alaikum
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I was allowing what I was previously taught the meaning of a "devil" to be. I now believe Mr. Muhammad's(pbuh).



So, the ancient Egyptians were correct, in referring to the Caucasians as "the children of Typhon".
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THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS AND "DEVILS".

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THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS AND "DEVILS".



"The issue is whether the devil was originally used as a name for
white people. In chapter 6 we saw how the Shah-Nama, the Zend Avesta
and other sources referred to the whites who had been compelled to
live in the hills of West Asia as either "devils", "Dev"
or "Demons". Countless other examples could be given, such as the
writings of Zarathrustra, who wrote extensively about what he
perceived as the need to fight against the Caucasian invaders who he
too referred to as devils.

But some of the earliest evidence available to the student of history
appears in the records of ancient Egypt. The ancient Egyptians
referred to the devil or Satan under various names. The three most
common of those names were: Seth, Typohn and Apopis. It is also a
fact that throughout the writings of ancient Egypt the Caucasian
people are referred to as the "Typhonians" or the People of Seth."
When Diodorus spoke of a group of foreigners" who had been driven out
of Egypt, he described them as "men the color of Typhon". Similar
language can be found in the writings of Manetho, the Egyptian
priest, who on many occasions referred to the whites
as "Typhonians". In English, such names mean "the devils". So, the
earliest evidence suggests that the ancient Egyptians viewed the
Caucasian people as devils.

What are some of the examples in which the"thphonians" were
mentioned? Do such writings also show the Typhonians (devils) to
have been white people? In his book The Sky-Religion in Egypt, G.A.
Wainwright, talks about the discovery of fragments from an ancient
Egyptian text in which the Typhonians or Followers of Seth are
alluded to. On page 33 of his book, Wainwright comments in the
regard:

"A remarkable and hitherto unparalleled text has just been published
by Gardiner, and though terribly fragmentary a good deal may be
gleaned from it. Among other things it shows that as late as the
Nineteenth Dynasty a section of the Egyptians were known to
be 'Follower of Seth', Typhonians, by certain marks and
characteristics. Of such it is said: 'The God in him is Seth'...
Another badly damaged sentence mentions a 'red man' and his hair."

What did the writer mean by the words "a red man and his hair"? What
were the characteristics by which the Typhonians were known?

The "marks and characteristics" that set apart the Typhonians or
devils from the original people of Egypt were their hair and the
pinkish or red color of their complexion. This much at least is
admitted to by Wainwright who talks about one Typhonian in
particular, whom he calls Nitocris, when the comments on her pale
complexion. That the "red men" or Typhonians in Egypt were white
people, Wainwright notes: "...in having a fair complexion Nitocris were
clearly one of the red Typhonians who were sacrificed by fire for the
good of the people."

The above quote shows two things: first, that the people known as the
Typhonians had pale or ruddy complexions; and secondly, that those
pale-skilled people were, from time to time, rounded up and
killed "for the good of the people." What other evidence is there to
support this claim?

Throughout the history of ancient Egypt, many campaigns were waged
against the Caucasians who, as history shows repeatedly attacked
Egypt and subjected the original people to the most reprehensible
atrocities. Often the people of Egypt found it necessary to fight
back against the aggressors. Thus, many of the ancient texts speak
of times when the original people would gather up all of the white
people (Typhonians) that they could find and either cut off their
heads or burn them alive. So it was with good reason that in Section
73 of De Iside et Osiride, Plutarch acknowledged the
following: "For truly, as Manetho has recorded, they used to burn
living men too ashes in Eileithyiapolis, calling them Typhonians, and
they used to scatter and dispose of their ashes by winnowing."

Regarding this same matter, Diodorus wrote: "anciently men who were
similarly colored to Typhon were sacrificed by the kings."

The rounding up and killing of the Caucasians by the kings of ancient
Egypt is exactly what Wainwright was describing when he
wrote: "Though in the New Kingdom at the Festivals of Hoeing the
Earth the Seth-sacrifices clearly had their heads cut off, it is
equally clear that on other occasions the sacrifice had been by fire."

In as much as the evidence from Egypt clearly shows that the
term "devil" was once just another name for white people, and since
that fact tends to substantiate what Elijah Muhammad has stated, then
anyone objecting to Muhammad's use of that term, on strictly
historical grounds, should be able to offer some kind of historical
evidence capable of out-weighing the above facts. If that evidence
cannot be produced then their objection must be viewed as reasonable. "

by Paul Lawrence Guthrie
excert from MAKING OF THE WHITEMAN

beanpie

You refer to them both as "white". Please, present your proof.

You refer to them as "hate mongers". What, EXACTLY, did they teach that, you consider hateful.

p.s. You are the one that needs to, "wake-up"!

chapka

It is not. I can't even tell what you're trying to say, much less why it would mean calling a whole race of people "devils" was not racist. What exactly does "grafted thing" mean in this context?

beanpie

If you took only the light skinned Blacks and only mated the lightest of light-then took their off-spring and repeated the process, for hundreds of years, you would one day make a "White" child. - Grafting

beanpie

I HAVE NOTICED A RATHER SERIOUS MISTAKE, IN YOUR REASONING...
IF YOU REALLY BELIEVED THE LATTER QUOTE, THERE IS NO WAY, YOU COULD HAVE MADE THE FIRST.

Baidarka

I HAVE NOTICED A RATHER SERIOUS MISTAKE, IN YOUR REASONING... Quote:
Beanie why are you allowing your mind to be poisoned by 2 dead white hate mongers?

Quote:
There must be 2 Beanies. I can think of no other possible explanation for this contradiction.
We all have an African origin!
We all have some Black ancestry.
Any percentage of Black ancestry no mater how small makes one Black!
Therefore all humans (even Scandinavians)are Black!

IF YOU REALLY BELIEVED THE LATTER QUOTE, THERE IS NO WAY, YOU COULD HAVE MADE THE FIRST.



Beanie Of course I don't believe the latter quote. I don't believe that Any percentage of Black ancestry no mater how small makes one Black! That's what you pretend to believe. I was simply demonstrating the ridiculous conclusions that your beliefs can lead to.
Why have all the leaders of the NOI always been light skinned? W.D. Fard, Elijah Mohammed, The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan., Malcolm X. Why have no dark skinned men ever led the NOI?

Baidarka

Beanie defines Grafting-"If you took only the light skinned Blacks and only mated the lightest of light-then took their off-spring and repeated the process, for hundreds of years, you would one day make a "White" child. - Grafting"

graft1 (gr²ft) v. graft·ed, graft·ing, grafts. --tr. 1.a. To unite (a shoot or bud) with a growing plant by insertion or by placing in close contact. b. To join (a plant or plants) by such union. 2. To transplant or implant (living tissue, for example) surgically into a bodily part to replace a damaged part or compensate for a defect. 3. To join or unite closely. --intr. 1. To make a graft. 2. To be or become joined. --graft n. 1.a. A detached shoot or bud united or to be united with a growing plant. b. The union or point of union of a detached shoot or bud with a growing plant by insertion or attachment. c. A plant produced by such union. 2.a. Material, especially living tissue or an organ, surgically attached to or inserted into a bodily part to replace a damaged part or compensate for a defect. b. The procedure of implanting or transplanting such material. c. The configuration or condition resulting from such a procedure.

graft2 (gr²ft) n. 1. Unscrupulous use of one's position to derive profit or advantages; extortion. 2. Money or an advantage gained or yielded by unscrupulous means. --graft tr. & intr.v. graft·ed, graft·ing, grafts. To gain by or practice unscrupulous use of one's position.



Beanie's definition sounds like "breeding" to me. If we were to replace the evil scientist with Natural Selection and an adverse Northern environment in which dark pigmented skin became a liability we would start to emerge from the cloud of confusion.

Beanie there are fancy sunglasses ( I believe that one brand is called Transitions) which darken in bright light and lighten in dim light. The darkest people developed closest to the equator where the pressure of Natural selection killed off whitey with sunburn and skin cancer(Modern white Australians provide an example of this). As humans traveled North and South of the equator the sun no longer killed our light skinned ancestors and dark skin started to become a liability in that it blocked the sunlight that was needed for the manufacture of vitamin D

Exposure to sunlight
Exposure to sunlight is an important source of vitamin D. Ultraviolet (UV) rays from sunlight trigger vitamin D synthesis in the skin (7,8). Season, latitude, time of day, cloud cover, smog, and suncreens affect UV ray exposure (8). For example, in Boston the average amount of sunlight is insufficient to produce significant vitamin D synthesis in the skin from November through February. Sunscreens with a sun protection factor of 8 or greater will block UV rays that produce vitamin D, but it is still important to routinely use sunscreen whenever sun exposure is longer than 10 to 15 minutes. It is especially important for individuals with limited sun exposure to include good sources of vitamin D in their diet.

http://www.cc.nih.gov/ccc/supplements/vitd.html#sun

woodheart

Jesus was not black or white. Just look at the poeple that live in middle east. See what they look like. You will have your answer. Now that if he ever lived at all.