aa5874

Tell me what is illogical about these statements:
1. The prophecies about Jesus, as recorded in the NT, are fictitious.
2. The virgin birth, as recorded in the NT, is fictitious.
3. The baptism, as recorded in the NT, is fictitious.
4. The miracles, as recorded in the NT, are fictitious.
5. The temptation, as recorded in the NT, is fictitious.
6. The transfiguration, as recorded in the NT, is fictitious.
7. The events surrounding his death, as recorded in the NT, are fictitious.
8. The resurrection, as recorded in the NT, is fictitious.
9. The ascension, as recorded in the NT, is fictitious.
10. The words of Jesus as they relate to any of the above events are also fictitious.
11. All witnesses to any of the above events are fictitious.


You must established that Jesus was born to consider what he could have possibly done. Jesus has not been established to have been born.

Febble

Nor is it established that he was not. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Chris Weimer

I was talking about myself. According to your logic, I don't exist. Have fun backpedaling your queer little claims.

Amaleq13

How did you determine that his death was "fictitious"?

The described death is not supernatural.

I've already explicitly described the relevance but you do not appear to have comprehended it. The example of Jimmy Hoffa denies your appeal to Jesus' missing body as evidence of ahistoricity just as the example Alexander denies your appeal to magical conception stories.

What is illogical is the leap from the assumption that all of those things are fiction to the conclusion that Jesus never existed.

But that isn't telling you anything you haven't already been told numerous times before, though, is it? I suspect you are too uninformed to comprehend the flaw or the numerous explanations that have been offered.

You have done nothing to establish the death as fiction.

You have done nothing to differentiate whether this death followed a mythical life or a physical life.

You have simplistically and illogically made a leap from "there is fiction in the story" to "the main character never existed".

aa5874

Are you claiming that you have not established that you exist?

Or is it this: If you exist and claim, falsely, that you are the son of a ghost, then Jesus must have existed since there are false claims that he is the son of a ghost.

Chris Weimer

If I claim that I am the son of a ghost, do I or do I not exist according to your logic?

jgibson000

And since claiming that someone is conceived EK PNUMATOS is not inconsistent with claiming, and does not rule out, that his conception occurred through human agency.

Be that as it may, I'm claiming that Chris' conception is EK PNUMATIOS. And I've published this claim.

According to your "logics", this proves that Chris never existed.

JG

aa5874

His birth is fictitious, as described in the NT. Fictious characters do not have a real life.


Jimmy Hoffa is documented to be a real person. Documented real persons have disappeared from time to time. Jesus is undocumented. His birth is described fictiously in the NT. And athough I have said his body is missing, the NT falsely declares that he is heaven and witnesses saw him leave earth.

That is, according to the NT, Jesus was seen by witnesses, eating fish and bread, walking through the wall of a closed building and giving instructions on where to find fish when he was supposed to be dead and buried in a sealed tomb under guard. He is not missing, according to the NT, Jesus never disappeared

Now, this is outrageously false. The NT is a book of fiction.

There is no parallel between Jimmy Hoffa and the unknown Jesus.

aa5874

My friend, there is no evidence for non-existence. If I name all the Gods of this world, there will be no evidence of their existence.

Amaleq13

We've already seen that fictitious birth stories do not allow one to assume the individual is fictitious. Repeating arguments that have already been shown to be flawed suggests either a lack of comprehension or disingenuousness on your part.

Yes, that is important to know so that you might realize that missing bodies are insufficient to establish non-existence. IOW, you can not, as you've been doing, jump from "no body" to "no existence".

Apparently none that you understand, anyway.