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Febble · 04-22-2007, 11:36 PM

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So much of ancient literature rests upon our labor to work out the text and assign it where it belongs. This forum in part has many people claiming that they can in fact figure such things out. For the rest, it's idle chatter... Don't you want to see if you can, perhaps, actually figure it out? Fully? To see how close you get? Get things right or wrong? There's three more pieces to the puzzle, consisting of four in all. If no one wants to work with them, that's fine. Sucks, but it's ultimately no problem for me.

I'm doing this for you all. Not as a joke, but as a serious inquiry to allow us to recognize both our capabilities and limitations. Is anyone interested?

Yes. I'm not a literary scholar, though I spent much of my life trying to figure out the intentions of long-dead composers, and now I'm a scientist. I've been intrigued by this hint of yours:

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This is a known work, with a known author, and all its sources are known as well.

Which is why the cipher idea (also St Paul) struck me as plausible. There are no overt references in the piece, so "sources" would seem to mean a compilation, or a covert allusions.

So I'm ready for more clues.....

Ecrasez L'infame · 04-23-2007, 01:57 AM

Don't mind actually, one way or the other. Hey, Chris, come back - that was a joke!

judge · 04-23-2007, 03:48 AM

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Known to me doesn't necessarily mean known to you. Otherwise, you guys are doing fantastic. Keep up the great work.

Finally glad to wake up with a genuine smile on my face.

Here are some clues

Chris Weimer · 04-23-2007, 08:58 AM

Piece of the puzzle number 2.

"To be great is to be all that you can be, no better and no worse. For if
you were either of the two you would not be you. True, a person changes
over time, but so does the meaning of great for that person. In being
great you take what you know and run with it, learn from it, and make
changes as need be. So this is another thing we must disagree on-you are
great!"

spin · 04-23-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Weimer

Piece of the puzzle number 2.

"To be great is to be all that you can be, no better and no worse. For if
you were either of the two you would not be you. True, a person changes
over time, but so does the meaning of great for that person. In being
great you take what you know and run with it, learn from it, and make
changes as need be. So this is another thing we must disagree on-you are
great!"

Goodbye translation. How do you say "take ... and run with it" in French or Arabic? They play soccer.

spin

gstafleu · 04-23-2007, 12:53 PM

I have skipped some pages, so I don't know if this has been suggested yet. This emphasis on being "great" meshes well with American culture. Is this perhaps a transcript from a movie or a TV series? A transcript that's not on the Web which is why we can't google it?

Gerard Stafleu

judge · 04-23-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by spin

Goodbye translation. How do you say "take ... and run with it" in French or Arabic? They play soccer.

spin

And rugby.

Nazaroo · 04-23-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Weimer

Piece of the puzzle number 2.

"To be great is to be all that you can be, no better and no worse. For if
you were either of the two you would not be you. True, a person changes
over time, but so does the meaning of great for that person. In being
great you take what you know and run with it, learn from it, and make
changes as need be. So this is another thing we must disagree on-you are
great!"

My original analysis stands.

Only a >2nd gen. baby boomer American fat ass could sound this self-centered. It could almost be Donald Trump, except this effeminate snob is too literate to be an American businessman.

It has to be either a rich kid/ university drop out, or else an English professor.

I'm going to say Bart Ehrman, in a live debate attempting to refute the existance of God by asserting the importance of 'me'.

judge · 04-23-2007, 08:26 PM

Maybe it's Anthony Robbins or Robert Schuller...do they like chiasms?:Cheeky:

spin · 04-23-2007, 09:18 PM

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And rugby.

In France it's such a tiny percentage of followers in the population that you wouldn't imagine such an idiom having general currency would you? Running with the ball is fundamentally an Anglo-Saxon type game. (Even Irish football doesn't have running with the ball.)

spin

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04-23-2007, 01:57 AM	#152
Ecrasez L'infame Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: London, United States of Europe. Posts: 172	Don't mind actually, one way or the other. Hey, Chris, come back - that was a joke!

04-23-2007, 08:58 AM	#154
Chris Weimer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: none Posts: 9,879	Piece of the puzzle number 2. "To be great is to be all that you can be, no better and no worse. For if you were either of the two you would not be you. True, a person changes over time, but so does the meaning of great for that person. In being great you take what you know and run with it, learn from it, and make changes as need be. So this is another thing we must disagree on-you are great!"

04-23-2007, 12:53 PM	#156
gstafleu Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,719	I have skipped some pages, so I don't know if this has been suggested yet. This emphasis on being "great" meshes well with American culture. Is this perhaps a transcript from a movie or a TV series? A transcript that's not on the Web which is why we can't google it? Gerard Stafleu

04-23-2007, 08:26 PM	#159
judge Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bli Bli Posts: 3,135	Maybe it's Anthony Robbins or Robert Schuller...do they like chiasms?:Cheeky:

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