Naruto

Funny, ordinarily someone values something if they don't have it...

Ellis14

If by wisdom, you mean rational sense and logic, then YOU are using your own wisdom to decide that the ark story is truthful. Your argument refutes itself. If man-made wisdom is irrelevant in determing that the ark myth is false, then man-made wisdom is irrelevant in determing that the ark story is false. Unless you assume the story to be divine, which is begging the question. In any event, if God was behind it, why didn't he materialise the ark out of thin air himself, made of all sorts of wonderful metals and alloys? The problem is not only the Noah couldn't have built the ark, the problem is that a global flood as described IS IMPOSSIBLE, even for God. You yourself have said that God cannot perform the logically impossible; ergo the story is false or "symbolic", if you like.


To maintain that the story is an actual account of real events is absurd. If you maintain the bible as inerrant you disrespect it by declaring the story to be true. I used to believe the story as a fundie as well, but it simply cannot be true, do you see this Magus55?

Mageth

Originally posted by Magus55
How do you think engineers test the stability of things? They use wind tubes and scale models to test skyscraper stability in high winds. Marine architects use model boats in facilities to test seaworthiness. They don't build a 450 foot boat, and then put it on water to see if it will hold up.

They can test the seaworthiness of the shape of the ark with scale models all they want. No doubt it would float just fine - for a while. The fact is that a 450-foot wooden boat would come apart at the seams in short order, springing innumerable leaks, due to the "hogback" problem, discovered by practical maritime engineers centuries ago when building wooden boats. In short, the bow and stern of the boat would flex so much that the boat would come apart at the seams. I doubt the Korean engineers considered this aspect of it (maybe they did...I don't know).

Of course i'm sure you knew all this, but were just trying to be a smart arse like usual huh?

Now now, Magus...remember your Jesus's teaching...golden rule and all that.

In any case, I'm sure glad Noah took that pair of smart arses on the Ark with him...or was it seven pairs, I never got that part straight...otherwise I wouldn't be around to crack wise...

Why do you assume it would sink? Considering God is the one that told Noah how to build it, I think God knows enough about marine engineering to build a seaworthy boat.

The sketchy instructions he gave Noah in the boat would hardly be seaworthy. In any case, if God is so smart, why didn't he teach Noah how to make steel? Then he could have made a proper seaworthy boat...heck, he could have built an Enterprise class aircraft carrier. Surely God knew enough to teach Noah that?

And as usual, I see you were trying to be a smart arse.

I'm really sorry, Magus, but someone hopelessly defending an impossible myth as if it was history brings out the smart arse in me every time.

But everyday I thank my lucky stars I'm not a descendant of that pair of dumb arses Noah loaded on the Ark....

JCS

Excellant point. Since god knows all including the future, why not have noah and company build one of these from the future - http://www.gridclub.com/fact_gadget/...hips/1792.html

It does if you use any inventions that have come from the wisdom of man.

Tristan Scott

Because to a fundamentalist if anything, even a tiny speck of the Bible is false the whole thing comes crashing down. A fundamentalists faith in his or her god is so pathetically weak that it requires all of these myths to somehow, miraculaously, be true. To them, without the magic, without the Ju-Ju, there is no Christianity.

Ask a fundy sometime: "what is more important, the teachings of Jesus or the magic?" They seldom even know what Jesus was teaching, but they always cling to the magic.

Mageth

So, are you going to withdraw the Korean study you posted as evidence, then?

Magus55

How is it Impossible? The only things impossible for God are that which denies His nature ( hence creating a logical paradox). The Ark does not deny His nature, nor does it create a paradox.


Nope sorry I don't. It may be absurd to you, but its not to me. I don't put natural limits on God's power.

Magus55

But I thought you were an evolutionist? Based on that view, you did descend from a pair of dumb arses

Mageth

Methinks you need to clarify...

JCS

After this

So using his power god gave man wisdom and you say mans wisdom doesn't mean anything so are you claiming gods power to provide wisdom is faulty?