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Old 01-11-2006, 04:48 PM   #11
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Do you think this passage predicts what science is telling us now?
Half-Life,
You really need to read up a bit on your party policy. Given that your manifesto promises that a dragon will knock off 1/3rd of all the stars in heaven with it's tail so that they plummet to earth, and considering that a vast number of those stars are actually whole galaxies of billions of stars themselves, the last thing you should be worrying about is our sun getting a bit warmer. You can hardly portray this as being what science is telling us now. Most estimates I've seen limit the number to less than 1/8th.

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Once again the infallible Holy word of God is smacked down.
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Many people know that eventually the earth will be gone because it will be swallowed up by the sun.

Now, what about this biblical verse:

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. (WEB)

http://bible.cc/2_peter/3-10.htm

Do you think this passage predicts what science is telling us now?
This passage does not talk about the sun swallowing up the earth.

It says that the heavens will be destroyed.

The belief was as expressed "heaven and earth"
Heaven was a dome-shaped canopy over a flat earth.

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Isaiah 40:22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
The heavens are like a tent over the earth.

The verse in 2 Peter 3:10 is talking about the burning up of the whole universe and not just the earth.
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Many people know that eventually the earth will be gone because it will be swallowed up by the sun.

Now, what about this biblical verse:


But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. (WEB)

http://bible.cc/2_peter/3-10.htm

Do you think this passage predicts what science is telling us now?
No, it seems to be a concept borrowed from Stoic cosmology, called ekpyrosis.
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I see, thank you. All of your responses were very intriguing.
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Many people know that eventually the earth will be gone because it will be swallowed up by the sun.

Now, what about this biblical verse:


But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. (WEB)

http://bible.cc/2_peter/3-10.htm

Do you think this passage predicts what science is telling us now?
No. Christianity is based on superstitions, myths and very likely outright lies. That it predicted anything only follows in those myths.
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Old 01-12-2006, 04:35 AM   #17
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Many people know that eventually the earth will be gone because it will be swallowed up by the sun.

Now, what about this biblical verse:


But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. (WEB)

http://bible.cc/2_peter/3-10.htm

Do you think this passage predicts what science is telling us now?
No, it is predicting the time when the sub-lunar realm, the realm of impermanent matter, gets destroyed by the heavenly fire that exists above the waters above the firmament.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:43 AM   #18
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It is actually possible that as the Sun becomes more unstable as it approaches the end of its life, life on earth COULD be ended suddenly by a
solar event such as a giant flare.

Failing that, the sun is estimated to increase in luminosity by 100% over the next 2 billion years. Assuming a constant rate, this is 1% every 20 million years. I have read somewhere that when average global temperatures reach 50 C we will have a runaway greenhouse effect. If we also assume 1% increase in solar energy = 3 degrees C warmer on earth - then we will reach this point in about 300 million years. If so we will have to check out the Martian vacation brochures around this time.

In other words, it is extremely unlikely, even if Human beings still exist, that we will still be living happily on earth when the Sun starts to expand into a red giant.
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Doh. having looked at some more sites on the subject, the luminosity is likely to increase more slowly than that in the "near" future and then accelerate in the last few hundred million years before the "red giant" phase starts.

So we probably have maybe a billion years or so before we have to call in the removal men.

By the way, the long-term increase in luminosity has being going on since the start of the solar system, but on earth, CO2 levels have decreased sufficiently through the action of plants (removing CO2 from the atmosphere, decaying and then being converted to limestone, oil and coal beneath the earth's surface) to prevent global warming. Now CO2 is at virtually zero (300 parts per million) so there is only one way to go - up.
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Many people know that eventually the earth will be gone because it will be swallowed up by the sun.
Many people who? You keep saying "many people say this/know that/claim X.." do you have a friend named Many People or something? Where are you getting your knowledge of what other people say, think, or do?
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