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Old 02-10-2006, 11:35 PM   #1
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Atheists are like men who look for a wife in a men's club then claim there are no women around! You can't find God in the human rhealm because God by definition, is supernatural, not human. But atheists insist on looking for him in the human rhealm. No wonder you can't see him! Atheists are also like people who who keep slamming the door on a person who comes bearing many, many gifts. You can't receive love from someone that you deny exists. It's impossible. So keep searching in the wrong places that lead you back to the same old question; does God exist? Your answers lead you back to the same old questions like a dog chasing its tail and you end up in the same place you were when you were born with no knowledge of God, then all you have to look forward to is death. That is indeed hell. It's also circular reasoning.

But you guys seem to prefer hell over heaven, but then complain about a God who would send you to hell! Another contradiction. But those who want answers will look to the supernatural instead of the human rhealm and they will find them.
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Atheists are like...
Arrogant asshole Christians are like...

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But you guys seem to prefer hell over heaven...
So you keep saying but what the fuck business is it of yours if we did believe in one side of your nonsense?
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Atheists are like men who look for a wife in a men's club ...
You think we haven't ook ed the same places you do? You think you found something we missed?

I'm call BS and arrogance.

You don't know any of us here, except through these elections. You don't know who's done what, studied what, immersed themselves into the faith, who's explored, perhaps far more deeply than you, in your smug condescension are even capable of doing.

You're pitiful, but I can't pity you much, for your arrogance and willful blindness make you less an object of pity than one of ridicule.

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But you guys seem to prefer hell over heaven,
If heaven and hell were real places, and heaven was filed with you and your ilk, I'd certainly prefer to spend my time in hell with folks like Mark Twain, Tom Paine, Tom Jefferson, Carl Sagan, Walt Disney, Elizabeth Cady Stanton and others of their atheistic and agnostic cut ...

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but then complain about a God who would send you to hell!
Who's compaining about god? I don't. There's nothing to complain about. Literally. Some of the followers of the mythology, though, really, really bug me!

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... look to the supernatural instead of the human rhealm and they will find them.
Been there, done that, got the t-shirt and found out it makes a good cleaning rag.
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ABut atheists insist on looking for him in the human rhealm. No wonder you can't see him!
Who said anything about looking for him?

Your whole post is based upon the assumption that we're all just poor, lost souls looking for a spiritual answer. Like there's this giant void in our lives that we can only fill with Jebus.

Sorry, but at least as far as I'm concerned, there's no need to look. Never have, really. See, when you never believed in god in the first place, it's not much use to look for him, either in the human "rhealm" or anywhere else.
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Why do you insist that athiests are looking for god anywhere? Whadda nut!
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He/she (sounds more like a church lady) won't bother with any sort of real discussion. Just a mass hit and run poster.
She ignores all requests for anything to substantiate here statements and seems to be trying to please her god-being by tossing as many anti-Atheist hand grenades as she can before going to bed or getting the kids off to school (or whatever she does...maybe just sitting in a dark closet praying to the voices in her head).
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Atheists are like men who look for a wife in a men's club then claim there are no women around! You can't find God in the human rhealm because God by definition, is supernatural, not human. But atheists insist on looking for him in the human rhealm. No wonder you can't see him! Atheists are also like people who who keep slamming the door on a person who comes bearing many, many gifts. You can't receive love from someone that you deny exists. It's impossible. So keep searching in the wrong places that lead you back to the same old question; does God exist? Your answers lead you back to the same old questions like a dog chasing its tail and you end up in the same place you were when you were born with no knowledge of God, then all you have to look forward to is death. That is indeed hell. It's also circular reasoning.

But you guys seem to prefer hell over heaven, but then complain about a God who would send you to hell! Another contradiction. But those who want answers will look to the supernatural instead of the human rhealm and they will find them.
Circular reasoning? How dare you? This is the same person that said that since infallible truth exists, that is God. Therefore God exists. I mean please. Don't ever use the word "reasoning" again because what you do is not it.

Since you are Christian, I will disprove your religion in like 3 minutes of my time.


Logic 1

You say

A. My god loves everyone no matter what.

B. You must belive in Jesus to get to heaven.

Facts incoming (hold your brain this may hurt, I'm sure you're not used to this)

1. Considering at least 50% of the current population on earth and much more (percentage wise) of humans in the past rejected Jesus,

2. Then therefore (this is real reasoning) more than 50% of the souls God created will be doomed to fry in the hot pits of Hell FOREVER. If God loves everyone, why would he set up a system where the majority of the people he loves will fry in the pits of hell forever?

Answer ----> A. HELL DOES NOT EXIST or..... B. GOD DOES NOT EXIST (OMG!)


Logic 2

You say

A. My god loves everyone no matter what.

1. So, if I reject Jesus for the span of 80 years, I shouls suffer in Hell forever.

You're telling me that a loving God would punish me for the mistakes I made over 80 years for eternity? This is like punishing someone who shoplifted with death! The punishment is much worse than the crime.

In fact no loving God could ever punish anyone for Eternity. Really, what could you possibly do in the course of 80 years that you should suffer for Eternity for.

If you have an answer for this logic then your poor human brain can't really understand what a torture suffering for ETERNITY really is.
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But you guys seem to prefer hell over heaven, but then complain about a God who would send you to hell! Another contradiction. But those who want answers will look to the supernatural instead of the human rhealm and they will find them.
Dear Joyfilled,

I dare say that you are not surprised by the dismissive comments that your postings receive, and, I imagine that you think that it is because atheists are hell-bent literally on denying truths that seem certain to you and are certain to atheists. If you want to persuade us that we are mistaken, you cannot do so by simple assertion: you have to address the best arguments in favour of atheism and prove that they are incoherent.

Suppose that I were to come on to a christian discussion board with a posting such as

'I am athiest. All you stupid christians are mad for beleiving in three gods, an old man, an unskiled labouring woodworker, and a pigeon and then claiming that you beleive that all three are one god. Are you to stupid to realise that 1+1+1!=1?'

This is the kind of over-simplification that is present in all of your postings and would be unlikely to elicit worthwhile discussion. No doubt you can't help being ignorant, but ignorance can be overcome.

The mistake you are making with this posting is your argument by analogy. Atheists are not looking for god. Atheists have no evidence that god exists, and therefore to suggest that atheists are looking for god in the wrong place is to completely misunderstand atheism.

Stay around, learn a bit more, and you might acquire the skills of analysis that enable the open-minded to escape from superstition.

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Atheists have no evidence that god exists...
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Not only is there no evidence (other than they Bible said so, so it must be true L!LO!L)... the God of the Bible makes absolutely no logical sense and does so many foolish things. If there is a God, he is embarrassed so many people he created would buy into such a erroneous book.
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As a semi-neutral party, an agnostic/skeptical theist mystic who does not worship the Christian god (and is not looking for it, either), here's my $0.02 on the matter:

1. There is no scientific proof that any gods exist, including the ones of my own acquaintance. It's more reasonable to assume that, in the absence of hard proof, these gods are social/psychological constructs of our own making.

2. If it serves as a positive influence in your life, I don't see any major problem with someone internally generating a friendly god or two or even more.

3. Unfortunately, this planet has a long and bloody history of people forcing their personal concept of god-ness on unwilling participants. Which is ludicrous because of the lack of physical proof mentioned in point #1, above.

Why are you here, Joyfilled? Why spend so much of your time "testifying" to an audience that has heard and dismissed the same arguments myriad times before? I refuse to speculate on your motives... So please enlighten us as to what you hope to accomplish with such mean-spirited tirades as the OP.
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