aa5874

And what time was Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline writings manipulated??

And what was the time of Josephus?? We have NO originals.

What was the time of Suetonius??? We have NO originals.

What was the time of Tacitus??? We have NO originals.

The writings attributed to Justin MUST be read and Analyzed before you make unsubstantiated claims.

In First Apology the author called Justin wrote to the Emperor Antoninus and also claimed that he was writing 150 years after the birth of Jesus.

Again and Again, Justin's time was DURING the reign of Antoninus.

First Apology
First Apology

Duvduv

Why does AA answer questions with questions??
Writings have been analyzed and people have come up with alternative views to those of AA, which of course is verboten since only the "logical inferences," hypotheses, and ideas of AA are permitted.

aa5874

You continue to show that you are NOT Credible.

Duvduv

Please, we know what you are going to argue on this point. You lived in the time of Antoninus and worked for the archives to which you received the authentic original of the Apology signed and notarized from someone named Justin. In fact, you received a digital copy with the retina or finger print of Justin. And you even possessed an interview with the Emperor on tape confirming that not only did he receive it but he distributed and replied to it.
Not unlike the epistles when deemed to be authentic but for which there is NO EVIDENCE that they were ever actually written by anyone to those communities, NO EVIDENCE they were received by any communities or that any communities replied to them.

But in your case, AA, you had a time machine or a stargate that enables you to travel back and forth. Or perhaps you engaged in telepathy with the emperor or with Justin himself. Either way, we are excited to find out the technical aspects. Please don't hide this technology from us.

aa5874

Well, you lived in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th century and worked for the archives so that you can argue that the Jesus story and cult originated in the 4th or 5th century.


Well, what Source are you going to use to argue that the Jesus story and cult originated in the 4th century or later??? Irenaeus, Eusebius, Jerome???

You have NO Source--No Evidence--No Proof for anything you say because you were NOT living in antiquity.

In your case, you have a time machine or a stargate that enables you to travel from the 1st to the 5th century. Or perhaps you are engaged with telepathy.

Please tell us of the technical aspects, don't hide your technology from us.

Please tell us how you re-construct the past if your sources are all not Credible.

I know your technology--it is called History by Imagination.

I use the PRESENT Technology--we have the Recovered Texts that were DATED by C14 and Paleography and they suggest that the Jesus story was unknown in the 1st but was known and circulated around the 2nd century.

Duvduv

Oy vey a million times. I am not arguing based on your ephemeral notion of "recovered texts".....I am inferring certain things from content and context of the texts. The inference may or may not be accurate because there is no proof. By contrast YOU determine that your hypotheses, assumptions and inferences are PROOF, and of course no one else is entitled to offer hypotheses, assumptions and inferences about texts aside from Mr. AA5874, even if they are older that AA5874 who must have been born on May 8, 1974 but who traveled by time machine back to the days of his client named Justin.

aa5874

You are NOT Credible. I have REPEATEDLY stated that the writings attributed to Justin Martyr are COMPATIBLE with the RECOVERED DATED Texts.

The Recovered Texts are DATED by C14 and/or Paleography.

Those very recovered Texts do NOT show a Jesus story, or Pauline letters in the 1st century and before c 70 CE but from the 2nd century or later.

How many times are you going to repeat your unsubstantiated claims??

Now, what sources are you using to claim the Jesus story and cult originated in the 4th or 5th century???

Please, tell us of your time machine for the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th century??

Duvduv

ARE YOU DEAF? I didn't say I had more "evidence" than you do.....I said that all that one can do is to postulate hypotheses based on inferences and analysis of context and content of texts. That is what you do as well, despite your repetitive attempts at calling it "recovered texts".
Hell, if someone had written a comic book in the fifth century about Batman in the second century, you couldn't use that as "evidence." All you could do is offer an hypothesis. That's all there is, unless of course you do have a time machine for which I hear an echo........

aa5874

ARE YOU DEAF?? . I said your claim is erroneous. There is ACTUAL RECOVERED DATED EVIDENCE. I said that I have EVIDENCE and you have NONE.


Again, Look AT THE list.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...stament_papyri

Can't you see that the Jesus story was dated by Paleography BEFORE the 4th century??

The Dated Recovered Texts and Sources that are IN AGREEMENT with them are the PRIMARY Sources of my argument

What sources have you got to support your claims??

Where are your Sources that show the Jesus story and cult originated in the 4th or 5th century??

ARE YOU DEAF???. I am not using comic books. I am using the RECOVERED DATED Texts and Sources that are in AGREEMENT with those very Texts DATED by C 14 and/or Paleography.

I am ARGUING that Jesus, the disciples and Paul had NO real existence in the 1st century and before c 70 CE.

I am arguing that the Jesus story and cult originated in the 2nd century.

My argument is based on the short gMark and writings atrributed to Philo, Josephus, Tacitus, Suetonius, Justin Martyr, Theophilus of Antioch, Athenagoras, Aristides, Arnobius, Tatian, Minucius Felix, Ephraim the Syrian and Julian the Emperor.

Some people use Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline writings in their arguments but I find that those writings are a PACK of LIES--historically and chronologically Bogus.

What sources do you use?? Eusebius??? 5th century Comic books???

Duvduv

Do I hear an echo again??!
AA MUST be as Jewish as I am because he always answers a question with a question. Hopefully it will all get straightened out sooner or later.