Stumpjumper

Yes they do.

I am a subscriber to Harpers and I love getting the magazine every month and I vividly remember reading that article in August and how angry it made me feel about the state of Christianity in America.

All I can say is that our country gets Jesus wrong. Of course, that could be ironic if you think Jesus never existed but whatever. I am a member of the emergent Church and at least you should realize that many Christians are aware that America has gone off the deep end. Look up a good article in Harpers from last month about how the Religious Right has turned America into a fascism. That was a good read.



http://www.emergentvillage.com/Site/...tory/index.htm

His Noodly Appendage

seebs: I still find it interesting that you can see that popularity / applicability / marketing of an idea determines its prevalence, that you can apply all KINDS of fine tuning and evolutionary arguments to the god-meme, and yet still swallow it whole.

Quetzalcoatl

Ah the no true Christian defense. If only those “false�? Christians would just get with the program then the world would be a better place.

Stumpjumper

No. I am not saying that people who say they are Christians and do not follow the teachings of Jesus are not Christians.

I am saying that those who follow the example are better models of what a Christian means and that can easily include atheists

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Quetzalcoatl

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So you have thrown out the gibberish in Jesus teachings and kept the one or two verses that make sense. Congratulations.

Stumpjumper

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If you want to throw around the No True Christian claims then you can start with the OP and "How a Faithful Nation Get's Jesus Wrong". Doesn't "getting Jesus wrong" qualify as a "No True Christian" claim by the logic that you have applied to my statements.

You might think Jesus is gibberish but I would be happy if I actually got gibberish from my dialogue with you because gibberish would be more fun than strawmen

Quetzalcoatl

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Yes the OP post is also a fallacy. It is based on the ridiculous assumption that the “true�? Christian teachings are “good�?. What seems to be the problem? <edit>

For some strange reason when people try to live according to the bible they are castigated, yet the same people who do the castigation claim that the bible is a moral handbook.

This seems to be your standard response <edit> . Why don’t you explain why my posts are strawmen.

Alethias

I'm locking this thread for editing.

SwordOfTruth,
GRD Moderator.
ETA: Settle down. Time to quit the sniping back and forth. If you don't like the tone of someones post, don't respond to it. You violate the rules when you do that and you get edited. That is what the report a post function is for.

seebs

Well, yeah. Because we've adapted the forms of Christianity to our social needs.

Think about it as "communism with Chinese improvements". Which is to say, with private property ownership, a substantial chunk of free market stuff, and so on. We have Christianity with American improvements in the US.

seebs

Well, maybe "swallow it whole" isn't entirely the right phrase to describe the process, what with the ideas I adopted not existing as a set elsewhere. Curiously, a great deal of this fine-tuning consists of rejecting some of the adaptations that have been made for the mass market.