Jeffrey Gibson

From the standard critical edition of the text of Julian's Against the Galileans - Juliani librorum contra Christianos quae supersunt, ed. C. J. Neumann -- that's available on the TLG disk.

Please learn Greek.

:rolling::rolling::rolling:

Jeffrey

spamandham

Ben has proven himself trustworthy and extremely helpful in the past. While I'm sure he's capable of error in regards to his understanding of Greek, I simply have to defer to his and Jeffrey's expertise here, since I do not know Greek. I'm not about to get into an argument about the proper meaning of the Greek syntax with these two. I may be dumb, but I'm not that dumb.

I find Ben's explanation of the nuances here satisfactory. I'm willing to reconsider if there are those with higher expertise who make a more compelling case for a different interpretation.

One of the things I learned from studying German, is that to capture all the nuances of a language within a translation, will typically result in a text that is awkward to read in the translated language. Translators usually sacrifice some of those nuances for the sake of overall comprehensibility.

Dr. Wright's (who's translation we've been referring to for those unaware) translation is not wrong if Ben's explanation holds up (and I'm convinced it does now), but fails to convey the nuances Ben discussed. I don't find anything unusual about that, which is why I asked early on if there were relevant and important nuances in the Greek at play that were not expressed in the translation.

Jeffrey Gibson

A generous message. I, for one, very much appreciate your posting it.

Jeffrey

aa5874

Now, if you don't know Greek, how do you know he has been helpful in the past?

You need now to investigate what he has said in the past.

Why did Ben find it necessary to hypothetically re-write parts of the passage of "Against the Galileans"? Where did he get those Greek words to translate to English, "who go unmentioned in the histories of time...?

And has he done that before, in the past?

Jeffrey Gibson

Since you don't know Greek (and apparently English all that well either), how do you know that he hasn't been helpful?

And where's your evidence that you are the expert in 1st century Palestinian Judaism and (now) the writings of Julian that you have claimed to be?

In the meantime, you might look up the meaning of the word "paraphrase".

Jeffrey

aa5874

Is that question for spamandham?

Jeffrey Gibson

Umm, you are quoting yourself, not me. The question I asked was:


And yes, "aa5847", my question was/is for you. How you could think it was otherwise (let alone how you could misread/misattribute your own question as something I asked) is beyond me -- though given your demonstrable inability to read texts carefully and correctly, and your penchant for misreading them, it's not surprising.

And where is your evidence that you are the expert in 1st century Palestinian Judaism and (now) the writings of Julian that you have claimed to be?

Jeffrey

spamandham

It's a judgement call based on my previous interactions with Ben. You are free to reject my judgement.

aa5874

Your judgement is irrelevant to this serious problem.

Why would Ben find it necessary to hypothetically rewrite parts of a passage in "Against the Galileans"? Where did he find the Greek words to translate to English, ..."who go unmentioned in the histories of time..."

Jeffrey Gibson

I say again that it would do you some good to look up the meaning of the word "paraphrase", since essentially that's all Ben claimed his "translation" was.

And where is your evidence that you are the expert in 1st century Palestinian Judaism and (now) the writings of Julian that you have laid claim to being?

Jeffrey