ravenscape

It's not just staff, and that's probably just the final straw. She gets it from members, too.

CF is probably not a healthy place for her to be. Recognizing that could be the best possible outcome for her.

seebs

I would agree. She could try IATL.

Hydra009

I'm sure he can find a rusty nail for that. :Cheeky:

Hydra009

How come I seem to be the only one here without some serious CF forum drama going on? Am I just lucky or is there a secret drama-ridden subforum that I don't know about?

ravenscape

<evil grin>

Come to the armory and request something X-Men related. You'll get more drama than you can stomach. And so will I. <sigh>

P.S. -- that's NOT an invitation :Cheeky:

ravenscape

Unless it's changed dramatically, I don't think IATL would be a good place for her. Nothing against IATL-- far from it. For people who value live-and-let-live over understanding exactly, in excruciating detail, where everyone one is coming from on a controversial topic, IATL is fingernails on a chalkboard.

Daemana

Perhaps there are a few ladies here that are wondering why you allowed the breaking of this rule repeatedly by the same person:

1. The rules here at IIDB prohibit insulting, flaming or attacking IIDB members.

It is not enough that he was using ugly language, commented on by other members here, but he was attacking contemptuosly certain posters left and right. Instead of striving to prevent further misunderstanding and offending others, he continued his dueling, in as low a manner as I have ever seen.

He bullied several other members here back into corners, trying to coercise them to explain themselves or leave, but never offering specific examples to explain his own views and accusations.

Would you care to help us understand why you did not edit more of his cruel posts, but simply made sure to edit a relatively mild view or two of mine?

Straight Shooter has made a lovely apology to this entire forum. Lien Shen made every effort to cope with the attacks on her in the best way she could.

Blaster, by the sound of his very own nic, could have hardly been more clear in his intentions and his attitude so shockingly displayed in his posts.

Why, you of all people, how could you have been so im-moderate?

Daemana

Most of the worst aspects of CF are actually promoted by those PERSONS who have bad attitudes, both Christians and atheists. Face it, most of the pushier ones or either
fundamentalists or young liberals who want it all their way, regardless of orientation, denomination, or agenda.

Those with agendas, whether it is to promote their own righteous personnas, or whether those with militant anti-Christian bias, rarely post with good intentions, or even with the purpose of being civil, let alone considerate.
Compassion? Don't even go there.

To attribute the all the negatives to the perceived flaws, faults, or even evils of the Christian religion is bigotry. Offensive bigotry and endless arguments, where certain members duel, like stags with horns interlocked, to the victory and defeat of each other is anathema to Chrisitian virtues.

I think it is a little too convenient to promote the view that, because of the kind of diversity of views and opinions and agendas one encounters on any message board open to world-wide participation, one must take everything
one reads there as representative of everything that Christianity means.

This raises a very good issue. When there were no PC's, no Internet Web, no exposure to an overkill of diversity and disparate personalities purporting to represent an overall consensus of confusion, life was simpler.

However, such fortunate children were brought up in a stable atmosphere that helped provide them with enough self-assurance to grow up and enter either colleges or early entry into work related situations. To assume that
children raised like that were totally brainwashed into being unable to go out and continue to learn what they needed to know to understand more of the world outside their small towns or communities, even though Christian ones, is a tragic and false view.

The young woman of which you are speaking is not an unfortunate casualty of Christians or merely the extremes of CF. She is a shocking example of the side effects inherent in the Information Highway, with no speed laws or
limits.

Freedom is not the target of conservative views. Freedom must also be allowed in some kind of constant environment. Learning can be nurtured within certain moral ethics, where the values are consistent and wisely
applied, towards the goals of raising both children to maturity and of guiding adults to values for the benefit of their families, their homes, and their communities.

To try to force CF into the tight-fitting definition of a "united community resolved to outreach Christian ministry to the world" has simply not been possible. It is an online message board, for entertainment, for voicing
opinions or rants or whatever. To even have some vague idea that it can, in the smallest way, play the role of family and church, results in deeply unhappy people, who become more confused and lost.

Illuminatus

You spend most of your time in CrEvo, where we tend to be rather devoid of drama. Plenty of amusement, very little drama.

Right now, I'm reading the CBC's update on the conflict in the Middle East. Israel has killed at least ~50 people, and are bombing the shit out of Lebanon, while Hezbollah has been launching dozens of rockets into Haifa and Nahariyah. This constant blather about tattoos is so incredibly ridiculous that I'm tempted to just put everyone involved on ignore.

ravenscape

Latreia,

I was indoctrinated in Christianity long before the Information Highway was a dirt road. The lack of tolerance for diversity in non-salvific issues in my church was exactly way led me to my deconversion. Led, not caused. Let me be precise about that.

I have found more to admire in Christianity and in Christians online than I ever found in that church I was raised in long ago. I've re-evaluated many long-held assumptions as a result.