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River · 06-19-2004, 02:58 PM

add this to the list of

Coelocanths, and Nautiluses-----River

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...brazil_fish_dc

"It's like if we had an animal as old as the Tyrannosaurus rex still alive,"

New Atheist · 06-19-2004, 03:05 PM

Therefore Evolution is false.

Veovis · 06-19-2004, 03:12 PM

If there is no pressure to adapt, a species will not change, even if it stays basicallly the same for millions of years.

sakrilege · 06-19-2004, 03:18 PM

I have to wonder what its secret to such a long life is.

Steinsky · 06-19-2004, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veovis

If there is no pressure to adapt, a species will not change, even if it stays basicallly the same for millions of years.

And no doubt it has evolved, it's just that the skeleton and shape looks much the same as a prehistoric ratfish (though I didn't bother reading the story, so maybe I'm wrong).

SEF · 06-19-2004, 03:50 PM

Well there are lots of different species. So they would all have had to evolve from the original ratfish kind. That one was presumably deemed so ugly* that it wasn't allowed on the ark but nonetheless managed to survive the mixing of the salt and fresh water, the rotting vegetation, the vulcanism and the flipping over of Greenland (I think that was one of the pottier creationist stories) to reach the point where American states could pass strange laws about not having sex with fish.

*some people love them though...

Steinsky · 06-19-2004, 04:03 PM

And Evilutionists quote this as an example of a transitional between fish and rats, when really they have NO evidence for their theory!

Duck! · 06-19-2004, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veovis

If there is no pressure to adapt, a species will not change, even if it stays basicallly the same for millions of years.

Do professional scientists who are involved with evolutionary science actually believe that the likes of this actually haven't evolved at all? Surely this is a case like the Trilobite or Coelacanth where a species has undergone major change but fuckwits like to think that absolutely nothing has changed in 200 million years.

KM.

fallingblood · 06-19-2004, 06:13 PM

Something would of have had to change, even if it was very small. Since the world has changed drastically, it would have to evolve to keep up, or else die.

Happy Wonderer · 06-19-2004, 06:20 PM

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The chimaera was initially found off the southern coast of Brazil in 2001 by commercial fishermen. Realizing it was a new species, Brazilian scientists dredged the ocean floor to find more examples of the fish...

Destroying their habitat and driving the species extinct....

hw

06-19-2004, 02:58 PM	#1
River Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NY Posts: 3,680	180 MILLION year old PREHISTORIC RATFISH discovered ALIVE. add this to the list of Coelocanths, and Nautiluses-----River http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...brazil_fish_dc "It's like if we had an animal as old as the Tyrannosaurus rex still alive,"

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06-19-2004, 03:05 PM	#2
New Atheist Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,704	Therefore Evolution is false.

06-19-2004, 03:12 PM	#3
Veovis Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Portland-upon-Willamette Posts: 1,840	If there is no pressure to adapt, a species will not change, even if it stays basicallly the same for millions of years.

06-19-2004, 03:18 PM	#4
sakrilege Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cleveland, OH, USA Folding@Home Godless Team Posts: 6,211	I have to wonder what its secret to such a long life is.

06-19-2004, 03:50 PM	#6
SEF Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Posts: 2,179	Well there are lots of different species. So they would all have had to evolve from the original ratfish kind. That one was presumably deemed so ugly* that it wasn't allowed on the ark but nonetheless managed to survive the mixing of the salt and fresh water, the rotting vegetation, the vulcanism and the flipping over of Greenland (I think that was one of the pottier creationist stories) to reach the point where American states could pass strange laws about not having sex with fish. *some people love them though...

06-19-2004, 04:03 PM	#7
Steinsky Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bristol, England. Posts: 92	And Evilutionists quote this as an example of a transitional between fish and rats, when really they have NO evidence for their theory!

06-19-2004, 06:13 PM	#9
fallingblood Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Mandan, ND Posts: 80	Something would of have had to change, even if it was very small. Since the world has changed drastically, it would have to evolve to keep up, or else die.

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