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JPD · 01-12-2005, 04:53 AM

Actually, I felt a bit down after I had posted it. It is garbage but then...... no, it is just garbage.

Hope that makes it better.

mirage · 01-12-2005, 04:59 AM

Atheos · 01-12-2005, 01:15 PM

You're right. Garbage. That won't keep fundies from jumping all over it and basking in a sea of ignorance though.

*sigh*

-Atheos

jonesg · 01-12-2005, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JPD

I am not sure that this is the right forum for this. I searched iidb and could find no reference to it.
Apparently a bible verse search in Psalm 90 (verse 4 / 89) shows that time is relative.
Does anyone have a view on this?
Personally I think it is dubious and has the benefit of hindsight in any case.
How about biblical scholars making some predictions which science can test?

This link attempts to explain it: http://www.bible-quotes-science-info...relativity.htm

No Einstein didn't get it from the bible, he deduced it.

But heres something "Spiritual energy is immaterial energy, it is not synonymous with mass, it is not subject to the laws of Physics. "

It don't take an Einstein to see that, but what does it conform to?
Things such as love cannot be quatified, they are spiritual in nature.
And there are spiritual laws which are more immutable than physics.
But if a person refuses to acknowledge the possibility of spirit, they cannot discover those laws.
For some the light of truth only burns...it cannot shine.

Sven · 01-13-2005, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Alf

1 - 1 / 2191440^2 = (v/c)^2 or v/c = sqrt( 1 - 1 / 2191440^2 )

The calculator I have cannot compute this properly, it simply respond with v/c = 1. I guess v must be very close to c but it is obvious that it cannot be greater than c.

Just a small comment on your excellent presentation and derivation of this result:
For small x, sqrt(1-x) is about 1-0.5*x (Taylor). So we get for the number above 1- 2*10^-13. Indeed quite close to 1.

Sven · 01-13-2005, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JPD

Alf, 100% - that's why I said that I thought it was dubious and had the benefit of hindsight.

Even if something can be claimed to have been found it adds nothing to the complete non-argument that it proves God.

This is where I came across it: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...028062-5454857

I was searching for a reliable text on evolution.

Critical reviews of Gerald Schroeder's books can be found here at infidels.org (Victor Stenger) and here at talkreason.org.

In short: He uses the same ad hoc explanations and selective use of data as every other creationist.

JPD · 01-13-2005, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jonesg

No Einstein didn't get it from the bible, he deduced it.

But heres something "Spiritual energy is immaterial energy, it is not synonymous with mass, it is not subject to the laws of Physics. "

It don't take an Einstein to see that, but what does it conform to?
Things such as love cannot be quatified, they are spiritual in nature.
And there are spiritual laws which are more immutable than physics.
But if a person refuses to acknowledge the possibility of spirit, they cannot discover those laws.
For some the light of truth only burns...it cannot shine.

Try ending your posts with something that might relate in some however small way to something that has some vague element of a vestige of some kind of relevance to it. Handy that spiritual energy is not subject to the laws of physics - how are you going to go about demonstrating it? Oh I forget - you don't need to. This is another angle on 'God's secret'. Anything that cannot be explained or understood in a rational sense becomes 'only known by God' to you. That way you remove yourself from any responsibility for finding a rational solution. I might start claiming that the big bouncy pink invisible bunny wunny has stolen all my notes so I can't, unfortunately, provide any sort of answer when I am asked a question that I do not know how to answer, or can only rely on the invisible and undetectable to validate it.

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01-12-2005, 04:53 AM	#11
JPD Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: London, UK Posts: 5,322	Actually, I felt a bit down after I had posted it. It is garbage but then...... no, it is just garbage. Hope that makes it better.

01-12-2005, 04:59 AM	#12
mirage Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK Posts: 8,524

01-12-2005, 01:15 PM	#13
Atheos Talk Freethought Staff Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Heart of the Bible Belt Posts: 5,807	You're right. Garbage. That won't keep fundies from jumping all over it and basking in a sea of ignorance though. sigh -Atheos

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