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Old 04-11-2007, 06:51 PM   #11
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I agree with Ehrman that he redacted Galatians and other texts to fit into his theology of two-Gods. One example I recall was something to the effect of

"God's mysteries disclosed to us" Marcion nicely rewords "Mysteries hidden from the God who created all things"
Ephesians 3:8-9?
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To me, the very least of all saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches of Christ, and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created all things;
In Marcion's version there is no "in" in the greek, and it becomes:
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Thanks folks. I find Marcion's downplaying of the Hebrew scriptures appealing, because the OT is so morally incomprehensible from a Christain perspective (though it's unclear to me whether Marcion's motives were perhaps anti-semetic, rather than ethical, in nature). The attempt to gloss the Hebrew scriptures to harmonize with the Christian scriptures seems to me a lost cause. It seems to me the gospel is fundamentally unrelated to the OT and Marcion picked up on that. It is curious, however, that he would redact Paul's epistles, given the high regard in which he held Paul. Something more must be going on (such as that Marcion thought the texts had been editted and was "restoring" them, or as Stephen points out, Marcion was in fact dealing with the original mss or at least an alternate ms tradition of Paul's works).

It just seems unlikely that Marcion would blatantly alter Paul's epistles without citing some authority for doing so.
I agree with that http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=203368
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Ephesians 3:8-9?
In Marcion's version there is no "in" in the greek, and it becomes:
yes that was what I was thinking
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It is curious, however, that he would redact Paul's epistles, given the high regard in which he held Paul. Something more must be going on ....
IIUC, most of the redactions of Paul's letter is to remove the references to the OT.

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It just seems unlikely that Marcion would blatantly alter Paul's epistles without citing some authority for doing so.
Marcion claimed he was doing textual criticism. John Muddiman in his commentary on Ephesians conjectures that Marcion came across a copy of Paul's letter to the Laodiceans, which Muddiman argues had been expanded into our Ephesians by inserting a bunch of pro-Jewish material. In this scenario, Marcion got the idea that the other Pauline letters were also expanded and he tried to compensate for that.

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IIUC, most of the redactions of Paul's letter is to remove the references to the OT.



Marcion claimed he was doing textual criticism. John Muddiman in his commentary on Ephesians conjectures that Marcion came across a copy of Paul's letter to the Laodiceans, which Muddiman argues had been expanded into our Ephesians by inserting a bunch of pro-Jewish material. In this scenario, Marcion got the idea that the other Pauline letters were also expanded and he tried to compensate for that.

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Very interesting. Thanks. I'll read Muddiman's commentary.
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