mountainman

Elsewhere aa5874 writes ...


Statement of the Eusebian Fraud/Fiction Postulate:
http://www.mountainman.com.au/essenes/article_010.htm
showing in a schematic fashion the implications of
the real nature of what is called "the Arian controversy".

"There was time when he was not"
"He was made from nothing existing"

are the words that would be used by a man who, being clever
in disputation, fearing for his life should he call the fabrication
of the new testament a fiction of Constantine's, composed
through wickedness in order to overthrow the Hellenic
traditions and religions, and act as a new Roman religion.


No archeological evidence exists to support the inference
that christianity existed in the pre-Nicaean epoch.

Mainstream MJ or HJ proponents should objectively try
and assess the nature of the evidence by which said
inference is supported, and be objective enough to
contemplate the implication of the inference being
totally unsupported (ie: without historical truth)




Pete Brown
FJ proponent


"It is, I think, expedient
to set forth to all mankind
the reasons by which I was convinced
that the fabrication of the Galilaeans
is a fiction of men
composed by wickedness.

Though it has in it nothing divine,
by making full use of that part of the soul
which loves fable and is childish and foolish,
it has induced men to believe
that the monstrous tale is truth."


Flavius Claudius Julianus (331-363 CE)
Against the Galilaeans

Clivedurdle

Terry Jones in Barbarians (or via: amazon.co.uk) discusses Xianity in the 200's under the persian empire, as well as discussing the arguments between the arians and catholics in the 300s.

I agree Constantine changed things, but not as decisively as you are saying.

Barbarians ends with Clovis becoming a Xian - because this Christ is a very good war god!!!

Did you know the Vandals were xians? As catholicism probably never achieved a uniform view - celtic xianity can be seen as a merger for example - there possibly is not a "commandeered' position - xianity in the west grew because of the weakness of the empire for example.

Chili

The beauty about this is that for something to be eternal it better be made from nothing. "Serve as a new religion" would be my choice of words. Good.As a flatlander now wearing his wooden shoes I would argue that a MJ proponent does not want any historial evidence creating rapids in the water he walks on.Julianus was wrong because Galilee is a necessary transformation period between heaven and earth and it is foolish to warn mankind at large if Purgatory is for Catholics only. The tale is true but not in the literal sense of the word. This would be to say that it did happen in history but not in the ordinary physical world.