sugarhitman

The fact that Israel is restored, and the dispute over land and Jerusalem as foretold is hard evidence that God exist. Wrong time to go back against God.....wrong time indeed.

Half-Life

Wrong time to go against God?

Why do you make him sound like a 5 year old child who stammers when he doesn't get his way?

How can you seriously worship a God who decided to let the Holocaust happen before finally having a "change of heart" and giving the Jews a nation?

And why aren't ALL JEWS in Israel like the Bible claims?

Half-Life

OK, so let God show up to the non-christians today. Obviously, this would convert more people to Christianity thus saving people from Hell like it did Paul.

If Jesus never showed to Paul, he had his one-way ticket to Hell punched.

Why did Jesus show up to him? :huh:

mg01

The numbers are actually worse than that. Just for fun, a couple years back I calculated the populations of heaven and hell. It's not hard to do.

To start with we know as a percentage the best one can hope for would be 33% of all the people ever born make it to heaven. We know that can't be true because 1) people on surveys may claim to be Christians but "true" Christians know better 2) 33% are today's numbers which have to be adjusted at some reasonable rate over the past 2000 years, and 3) anyone born before Jesus already had a head start on seeding the population of hell. (The early numbers however don't effect the total much because the weighting leans toward the modern population numbers.)

Just to normalize the percentage, you end up with around 10% total planetary births as eligible for heaven. This is a generous 75% save rate and a linear growth rate from 0 to 33 over the past 2000 years. (While the growth rate was no doubt somewhat exponential, with a known target a linear rate will overestimate for any given year, siding the margin of error toward the number saved.)

This alone is pretty sad, to think that only 10% of total planetary births are even eligible for eternal salvation, and 90% are doomed to hell.

Putting modern humans starting around 150,000 years ago, estimates for total planetary births since that time range from 100 to 120 billion, putting the population of heaven between 9 and 12 billion souls and the population of hell between 90 and 108 billion.

Half-Life

Not to mention the huge glaring contradiction in Jesus' teaching.

"Love your enemies and forgive those who persecute you. Forgive 77 times" etc etc etc "nobody can forgive more than my father in Heaven."

Then he says

"Anyone who doesn't believe will be burned alive forever in the lake of fire"

:huh:

sugarhitman

Because what Paul did he did in ignorance....and because Paul was sincere...he was real...he was not like the other Pharasees who themselves witness many of Jesus's miracles and still did not believe.....ALL God's sheep will come to Jesus sooner or later. But the goats never will....even if He landed on their heads.

Half-Life

how was Paul sincere? he was persecuting Christians left and right and FINALLY Jesus shows up to him after allowing many senseless deaths by Paul.

And the Pharisees disbelieving is even more proof it's all a myth. How can God not properly get his miracles across so everyone can believe him?

And I assume if David Copperfield turned water into wine on tv, you would assume he's God? :huh:

sugarhitman

Still confusing the Laws of Moses with the Laws of God. When Jesus appeared He often said this, "You have heard thus and thus, but I say do this" many of the OT laws became irrevelent through the teachings of Jesus, as the Aspostles strongly hint it, many of the OT laws were given to the Jews because as a nation they did not have faith. Some things they were allowed to do (such as the right to divorce, which God hates) because of the hardness of hearts......confusion destroys ones faith only if one has no love for truth...and when that faith is not real.

Salam

Do you think the Palestinians will please God if they abandon the "Holy Land" and left it to the Jews?

Half-Life

So why is the OT still in existence then if it's irrelevant?

And God hates divorce but he allowed it anyway? Did this put someone in hell who divorced despite God allowing it?

and in many letters in the NT, it takes about how women must never speak in church and wear veils and always be subservient to their husband.

Why do we treat women equally today and go so clearly against "God's infallible Word?"

The answer is because it's a myth and people pick and choose what parts to believe.

The same God who endorsed slavery and gave proper ways on how to beat your slaves, also gave the commandment "love your neighbor as yourself."

Aren't slaves also your neighbor? Why the big contradiction?