That Old Serpent

It's amazing that so many Christians accept the Lucifer story as if it were on the same footing in canonical scripture as, say, the story of Moses.

Here's an alternative explanation for Satan's changing job description:

God obviously cheats on the wager he makes with Satan in the book of Job. Just as the poor schlub has run out of other things to curse and is about to have a go at God, as Satan had predicted, God swoops in and bellows at Job, "Shut up, I'm bigger and older than you." Perhaps this was the last straw in a long history of Yahweh's capricious actions. Satan decides he doesn't want to play anymore, so he picks up his marbles and starts to play his own games.

Yahweh ignores Satan until He comes up with a new game to play, New Testament to make, or whatever. Then He petulantly proclaims to anyone who will listen, "I'm not the cheater, he is!"

DISSIDENT AGGRESSOR

Yeah, go ahead mock my beliefs... that's real cristian of you...

I'd call your beliefs >Edited< if not downright >Edited<!

DISSIDENT AGGRESSOR

This is why we should do like they did back during the Dark Ages, ban people from reading the Bibles! No wonder the Catholics got mad and started killing everyone...

No offense gee but the Book of Job clearly states,

Job 1: 12. Then the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power, only do not put forth your hand on him." So Satan departed from the presence of the LORD.

The Lord [meaning Jesus ] clearly gives Satan/God influence over everything of Job's, except Job. Satan/God just doesn't merely accuse Job, as you think, Satan/God departs and has this done,

Job 1:13. Now on the day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother's house,
14. a messenger came to Job and said, "The oxen were plowing and the donkeys feeding beside them,
15. and the Sabeans attacked and took them. They also slew the servants with the edge of the sword, and I alone have escaped to tell you."

Maybe you just don't think all that destuction is influenced by Satan/God?

I really need this cleared up.

What about this?
Job1:16. While he was still speaking, another also came and said, "The fire of God fell from heaven and burned up the sheep and the servants and consumed them, and I alone have escaped to tell you."
The fire of God? Why the hell did they think it came from just plain God? Because they could not tell the difference between God/Dr. Jekyl and then when God turned into God/Mr. Hyde! Easy!

More of Satan/God, God/Satan or to you just plain Satan not having any influence on Job,
Job1:17. While he was still speaking, another also came and said, "The Chaldeans formed three bands and made a raid on the camels and took them and slew the servants with the edge of the sword, and I alone have escaped to tell you."
Job1:18. While he was still speaking, another also came and said, "Your sons and your daughters were eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother's house,
Job:19. and behold, a great wind came from across the wilderness and struck the four corners of the house, and it fell on the young people and they died, and I alone have escaped to tell you."
and it doesn't stop there... but don't read it!

jemand

I wasn't mocking your beliefs. You were talking about fly funerals. Unless you officiate at those funerals, I didn't think you'd be offended by me assuming it was a joke. Of course, if you are the spiritual mentor of zillions of flies, then I might have offended you. My apologies

DISSIDENT AGGRESSOR

No, I was talking about free will! The fly comment is just to illustrate, my beliefs, therefore me! I don't think I'm some god but you sure sound like one, you >Edited<!

PaperCut

That makes sense. Or I guess that's as much sense as one can make out of the Bible.


P.

DISSIDENT AGGRESSOR

It's the best way to explain it, you don't have to be in the world but ten seconds [after birth] to realize somethings wrong/different with what was reality fifteen seconds before, everyone forgets that, except test tube babies, like me...

Trying to figure out if a talking snake was Satan in the Bibles, and their problem at the moment, they can't find it, sheesh! I'd like to know if that guy is wearing a straight jacket or not [ although it might be hard to use a keyboard... but then Stephen Hawkins comes to mind!] before I offer advice, all you get is insults and no acknowledgement that you did your best... no wonder people bash these >Edited< peices of >Edited< so called 'atheist/theists' [and vice versa]!


Welcome to IIDB!

gee

AGGRESSOR;
None taken.
you:
This was pharoah's comment; not mine:
I'm just focusing on one small portion of this subject.

Like I said:
gee

jemand

Come on, Dissident, when I wrote that you were still talking about Bibles and bones and tripping blind people (i.e. me). All I said were your illustrations were funny. Sory. Just forget it.

pharoah

Even if one accepts the dual meaning concept, it still doesn't explain why this passage applies to a fallen angel named Lucifer. It could be argued that from Isaiah's perspective that ALL heathen nations took their orders from Satan, so that's not enough to explain why this particular passage has an underlying allusion to Satan. Besides, even if Isaiah was alluding to a fallen angel named Lucifer, how can one infer from that this angel was also Satan?