jadeus

My belief in God is the result of faith, science, and reason. I spent a great deal of time on the subject of particle physics. Anyone who spends the time to study the period of discovery between 1890-1930 on atomic theory could see that it was religious. First of all, they found these light quanta would change from a wave to a particle depending on what they were looking for. Heisenberg described it as if they were looking into “the eyes of God�?. It sparked philosophical debate about the conscious effect on matter and mounted empirical evidence that there was one. If they looked for a particle, light became a particle. If they looked for a wave, it became a wave. It leads to speculation that human conscious is the medium which “energizes�? reality and is the link of the Unified field theory. This is in line with the Biblical account the creation of the world resulted in the initial moment of consciousness. Let there be light meant let us understand. So now we understand. The other major religious implication of the discoveries of the time was the development of the atomic bomb. Because the center of particle physics had been in Germany at the time before World War II, it is unarguably miraculous that the United States developed the bomb before Germany. If Hitter had had the bomb our world would be dramatically different. It is interesting that his anti-Semitic philosophy is what eroded the integrity of the German Universities. Heisenberg told the Nazi he could not finish the bomb for lack of resources and the fact the all his colleagues had become refugees. And here is my support for “apple=sin=knowledge=atom bomb�?. We have seen the secrets of God…and now it will destroy us. While Russia and China have recently engaged in joint military operations and we are fighting a war on the Tigris River, there is a religious overtone to current events that is becoming ignorant not to acknowledge. This is not even going into the natural phenomena that are currently happening. It should become obvious even to the skeptics that we are dealing with the end of the world: nation against nation and such. It is a reality that has a possibility of being avoided only if it is realized. How we got to this point is minuet compared to how to survive this event. There is no rational solution. You can only pray and have faith.


(I hope this explains the physics tangent)

JPD

The fact that they used this phrase does not constitute evidence for God.

Can implies ability so you have chosen the wrong word. In any case you have a choice. That choice is to either prostrate yourself before an entity for which there is no evidence whatsoever, or to think freely. You have chosen the first option and have therefore elected to narrow the range of (theoretical) possibilities available to you. Your God, therefore, has managed to limit the way in which you think.

Sven

The only one that I know of is to invent invisible, untestable gods for unexplained phenomena. But I'd say this makes us lower than other animals.

Sven

Stationary with respect to what?

Since there's no absolute frame of reference (according to relativity), "stationary" without a reference is meaningless.

If you're simply talking about a transformation from one coordinate system to another, which differ by a constant velocity, this transformation is simply the Lorentz' transformation. As you already seem to know ... ?!? :huh:

Sven

No, that's not what they found. They found that elementary particles have characteristics of both waves and particles, not that they changed from one into the other.

Interesting enough to ask for a reference. Apart from this: So what?

Only according to the Copenhagen Interpretation of QM. There are others, like the Bohmian ones, transactional, and Many Worlds.

See above. It "became" nothing, it always had both characteristics.

Interesting enough to ask for a reference. Apart from this: So what? Speculations never told us something about reality. The only thing which does is evidence.

Sounds like another very creative interpretation. Do you have any justification why your interpretation is the right one and the myriad of others are wrong?

And that's a religious implication, how? Because it's "miraculous" (see below)?

:rolling:
Ever heard about the fact that lots of German scientists emigrated to the USA during WW 2? Ever heard about the fact that the USA had lots of money to spend for research, while Germany had to put most of its money into the war? There's not a shred of a miracle about this.

So, where's the miracle?

I'm sure that someone already claimed crap like this after the invention of the steam engine. :banghead:

Hint: Crap like this has been claimed for the same time as religions were around. In other words, for several tens of thousands years. Regardless, the world refused to end all the time. :rolling:

No. It only makes it even more of a joke.

RGD

Well, we don't even actually know if other animals have invented God. We know they possess altruism (look at dolphins saving swimmers, etc.); we just don't know if they have a fantasy life.

jadeus

So what? So everything we see is energy and now we know God's secrets.


Does it bother you that your heroes where Christians?

You lack the awareness to understand this concept.

Again, you don’t' really understand the Uncertainty Principle.


Stop speculation and you stop discovery. It is this attitude that stagnates science... and your not even Christian.


It is philosophically sound to say nothing existed before it has been conceived. You could write a book about it and there is no way to cover this topic in a brief response. Feel free to prove the opposite.


Look at the big picture in terms of societies and timing and you see the perfection of the circumstances. Most of the discovery that lead to the bomb happened in Germany. It’s like America developing a missile shield for decades but just before a big war China gets one up. That would be unlikely? Miraculous? I think you understand but refuse to accept the word “miraculous�?.

USA had money problems too (having just been through a depression). Plus they had to start from scratch with the program. I believe there is a more reasonable explanation however. That is it was the physics community choose who would have the bomb. Did this revolve around their religious beliefs? Who knows? There is this tiny issue that this persecution of the Hebrew lead to the formation of Israel. Unless you think the Jews conspired this and sacrificed 5 million of their own people? (Ridiculous)


It’s ironic. If your not interested in sociology go then play with your numbers.

Yes, very true. The invention of steam engine sparked fears of entire populations being sucked into a turbine. Come on!! Sorry, the ability to destroy the world did not exist before the Atom bomb. Duhhhh!


Hint: 1) it was prophesized in the Bible; accounting for the claims
2) Speculation turned to reality with nuclear discoveries.


You don’t think the ability to destroy our plant is big, then that’s your problem. (but thanks for supporting my sense of humor)

RGD

True, it was not only your lack of ability that led me to abandon responses. Sheer boredom with your inability to discuss any issues and disappointment at your highly un-Christian habit of insulting anyone who disagrees with you contributed greatly.

Moderators, I would suggest that this thread no longer has any relevance to E/C. YMMVOC

jadeus

I am proposing the existence of a conscious field, where the human will can be measured as a vector. You philosophical position translates to an actual position in this realm with defined coordinates. Thought (i.e. planning conception) is potential energy and action (i.e. building a building or punching) is kinetic and is translated to time and space. The law of this realm is truth and ideas follow natural laws of mechanics. The strength of you idea structure rests on the connection between truths (like a spot weld) and the geometry of the structure. This is where being straight means having your ideas perpendicular to what is right. With this brief explanation....the people relativity theory would use the Lorenz transformation to adjust for different positions and the movements resulting from thought. Thats all I'm saying.

Sven

OK, please modify my statement by: "As far as we know ..."