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Old 12-12-2005, 03:22 PM   #211
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I just think it's a neat way of saying that it's dumb when people complain there is no proof for an unprovable thing. Well, that and that the "burden of proof" on applies when there is an accepted norm.
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Old 12-13-2005, 03:03 AM   #212
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Can someone tell me what type of evidence would constitute evidence for the existence of God?
Yeah, I don't mean God coming down and explicitly demonstrating his existence so we could all hold no doubt.

In my view and this probably just my view, but God's existence can be demonstrated or falsified by his attributes. In other words, if God has revealed himself in the Bible and he possesses the attributes given to him by that collection of books, then we would be able to discern his existence from the manifestation of those attributes.

Consider, for example, omnipresence, omnipotence and omnibenevolence. If God were omnipresent, he would be everywhere. If God were omnibenevolent, he would be all-good. If God were omnipotent, he would be all-powerful. How is it, then, that natural evil (evil over which humans have no control or influence, such as natural disasters) occurs, not only in the world but by definition IN GOD'S OMNIPRESENT PRESENCE? Likewise, although "moral evil" is evil caused by man's own actions (such as wars and hunger), God could still arguably intervene - but does not. Given that he does not intervene for natural evil let alone moral evil, it must be concluded that either God is not omnipresent or is not omnipotent or is not omnibenevolent which, in any case, would mean that the God described would not be the God the Bible teaches about or that Christ taught about. So, because these attributes are inconsistent with the way the world actually is, it must be held that the only reasonable conclusion is that God does not exist. In other words, these attributes are not manifest and, if God did really exist, he would surely exercise them or this would be inconsistent with those attributes.

There is also the attribute of eternity possessed by God. From what we know of the Universe, nothing is eternal. The Universe began with a big bang and so had a definite beginning in time. Likewise, the Earth had a definite beginning in time after the big bang. Nothing in nature corresponds to or has the attribute of eternity. Everything is temporal. If God is not eternal as nature shows, then this is inconsistent with God and so he logically cannot exist.
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