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Old 10-21-2003, 11:54 PM   #81
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I'm curious as to where you are getting your billion cubic miles of water from?
The volume of a sphere is V=radius^3 (cubed) x pi x 4/3. The diameter of the Earth is approximately 8000 miles, so the radius - at sea level - is approx 4000 miles.

Now, to cover the highest mountain on Earth (Mt. Everest, just over 5 miles above sea level), we need to figure out how much MORE water is required to flood the Earth to a depth of 5 miles.

A real easy way to do this, is to figure out the volume of a sphere with a radius of 4005 miles (top of Mt. Everest), and subtract from it the volume of a sphere with 4000 miles (sea level) - What you end up with, is the volume of water required to fill a "shell" around the Earth, 5 miles deep.

The math works out like this:

4005 miles (radius) = (4005^3)*pi*4/3 = 2.69 x 10^11
4000 miles (radius) = (4000^3)*pi*4/3 = 2.68 x 10^11

Difference = 1,006,566,810 cubic miles of water. This is the amount of water required to fill the "shell", above the earths surface, to a depth of 5 miles.

But, how much water is a BILLION cubic miles of water?

Well, there are currently, 326,000,000 cubic miles of water on the planet.
(link: http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/earthhowmuch.html)

And we need 1,006,566,810 cubic miles of water to produce Noah's flood...

Divide...1,006,566,810 / 326,000,000 = 3.08

That is, we would need the oceans of THREE other Earths, dumped onto our earth, over a period of 40 days, to create Noah's flood!

"So, how fast was it raining?", you ask. Let's see...

Dividing 1,006,566,810 cubic miles by 3,456,000 sec (40 days) = 291.25 cubic miles/sec

Next, a cubic mile of water (5280ft^3) contains 1,4719 x 10^11 cubic feet of water x 291.25 cubic miles = 4.287 x 10^13 cubic feet of water per second.

And, the total surface area of the earth is 196,950,000 square miles...
(link: http://www.virtualology.com/virtuals...THPICTURE.COM/)

Divide 4.287 x 10^13 by 196,950,000 square miles = 217,676 cubic feet of water, per square mile...per second.

Now, a cubic foot contains 1,728 cubic inches - And a square mile contains 4,014,489,600 square inches. So....

217,676 cubic feet of water (per sq mile, per sec) x 1,728 cubic inches (of water per cubic foot) = 376,145,139 cubic inches of water, per square mile, per second...

There are 231 cubic inches per gallon, so 376,145,139/231 = 162,834 gallons of water, per square mile, per second.

376,145,139 cubic inches of water, per square mile, per second divided by 4,014,489,600 square inches/square mile = .094 cubic inches of water, per square inch of surface area...per second.

Approx 330" per hour x 24hrs/day x 40 days (minimum) = 316,800 inches of rain per square inch = 26,400 vertical feet = 5 vertical miles of water.

"But, how much water IS it?", you ask.

Well, a cubic mile of water (5280^3) contains 1,4719 x 10^11 cubic feet of water x 291.25 cubic miles per second = 4.287 x 10^13 cubic feet of water x 7.481 gallons/cubic foot = 3.207 x 10^14 gallons of water...per second!

3.207 x 10^14 = 320.7 TRILLION gallons of water...per second! x 60 sec = 1.924 x 10^16 GPM

19 QUADRILLION (10^15) Gallons per Minute!!! x 57,600 min = 1.1 SEXTILLION Gallons total! (1.1 x 10^21)
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Right Biff - some other cites state that flatly. Exaggeration.

There appear to be several competitors for the "biggest" wooden ship, for example:

http://www.lookandlive.com/noahsarkpart1.html

(Speaks about Donald McKay's five-masted, squared-rigged barque, `Great Republic', which was 335ft. in length)

My ex-wife has an undergraduate degree in ocean engineering (She designed the Indian Ocean). Anyway, she says that this hogging and sagging thing is also what brings about the leaking problem - a big ship can flex as much as a yard in the unloaded/loaded configurations. So the PITCH of Noah is the secret.

Until I see otherwise, it is NOAH, and not the chinese, that has the record for the largest wooden ship. Check into the book reviews on the Cheng Ho stuff and the author's background and sources. Not enough there. Noah, on the other hand, is in Genesis - leaving very little doubt as to the veracity of the story.
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Oh, so you just ignore the little problem of the Ark coming to rest on Mt. Ararat 3 months before the tops of the first mountains were seen?
Or it just means, because Ararat was the tallest mountain of the time, it was uncovered first, and it wasn't until 3 months later that the rest of the worlds mountains became uncovered. Apparently you are forgetting, this is a translation from a 3000 year old ancient language. Not every hebrew phrase translates perfectly into 17th Century English.





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What Jeremy didn't tell you is that those boats are mythical. There is no known evidence that they ever existed at all.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sultan/archeology2.html

Treasure ships a myth?
Nothing in the archeological record so far provides direct evidence for anything like the Ming Dynasty's treasure ships, and one must apply the same empirical skepticism normally used in evaluating archeological claims to accounts of these ships. Did nine-masted ships over 400 feet long really accomplish these fabled voyages?
It doesn't say they are a myth, it just questions whether the ships really did exist. There is a difference between questioning the account, and automatically claiming its a myth.



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Already read, and dismissed them, thanks.
Then why did you ask? Of course it can't be true since science says it can't, and science is always right, right? We wouldn't want to object to sciences assumptions of unobservable events now would we?



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Hmmm...then why are you here?
Because I want to be here. Why are you here?
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Noah, on the other hand, is in Genesis - leaving very little doubt as to the veracity of the story.
Can we get an AMEN!
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Now, to cover the highest mountain on Earth (Mt. Everest, just over 5 miles above sea level), we need to figure out how much MORE water is required to flood the Earth to a depth of 5 miles.

And who ever said Everest was even close to the highest mountain on Earth at the time? But thanks for doing all the mathematical calculations despite them being based on a huge, unproven assumption.
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Bag 'o snakes -

Thanks for the calculations on the water.
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Because I want to be here. Why are you here?
Actually, I don't want to be here.

I am being forced to at gunpoint by evil, atheist, liberal, secular humanists, who perversely enjoy watching fundies like you pin me down with irrefutable logic, such as, "God did it."

I'd quit posting, but they'd kill me.


Oh well...thank god there isn't a hell, right?
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You scoff, but the concensus seems to be that his ships were much larger than anything Europeans could build at the time. I've not read anything to dispute that.
I don't doubt that. But the Eurpoean ships were tiny.
The biggest modern junks that I've seen are about 120 feet long. Compared to European boats that is even bigger that Capt Cooks ships. And I don't doubt that when moored end to end that Ho's ships weren't as big as claimed. But not individually. If his junks measured 150 feet from stem to stern they would have been technological marvels of the day. 70 feet would have been more than long enough to make the voyages claimed.

On the other hand, do you question the size of Columbus' ships?
There was a full sized recreation of the Pinta at the last Operation Sail in San Francisco. It was berthed at the marina by Fishermans Warf and was no bigger that some of the cabin cruisers.

Columbus was a generation removed from Cheng Ho, but from the perspective of history, the mythology you elect to wrap around Cheng Ho would surely wrap around Columbus as well.
Sure I do. Columbus recorded seeing mermaids in his ships log.
I don't doubt that some of Ho's fleet made it to the west coast of North America. But there is little evidence that they made it back to China
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Bag 'o snakes - this is why it is so important to show your math, list your citations, etc.

You forgot the 15 cubits over the top of the mountain. If you add that in you come up with an additional 835,084.2255 cubic miles of water. How much water is that? Uh, about 835 thousand cubic miles...
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Then why did you ask? Of course it can't be true since science says it can't, and science is always right, right? We wouldn't want to object to sciences assumptions of unobservable events now would we?
LOL!!!!!
Have you picked your major yet. Psalms explaination of earthquakes will go over great in Seismology class. What a joke!
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