MollyMac

You really had us all fooled for a second.

kaleidescope

Funny how what is supposed to sway me to the other side, yanks me further away. Well, we know the US was involved with Israeli/Lebanon, definitely involved with Soviet/Afghan, i'm sure we have a hand in India/SriLanka and Ethiopia/Eritrea. Now I have a better understanding why we have to mess around all over the world. If the US is at your backing, guess who's going to win (with our muscle in Alaska) or so history will say so? The others, um, if you buy into, and I know I do, that the US did not win indepence, this is a very big lie and it wouldn't be the only one.

Queen of Swords

And that's something that no one would ever have figured out from my posts, PHF, because the dominant traits of Pisceans are supposed to be gentleness, romanticism, passivity and mysticism. Linda Goodman, for instance, goes into details about how Piscean girls are these delicate, feminine wisps who achieve childlike happiness on knowing they have a big strong man who's going to take charge of their lives.

So not me.

kaleidescope

Think what you will, but last night, without looking at Q of S past posts, piscean did come to my mind.
And I had a personal revelation: as i feel a kaleidescope represents me much better than a photo ever could, i came to a wondrous conclusion: planets, stars and such in space are a physical expression/projection of their corresponding gods. modern astrologists collect data and attempt to come to a conclusion with the data, so this does leave room for mistakes. gods can look at the sky and interpret what is there as easy as a mere mortal can read an easy book. ancient astrology (the real thing) is from gods. how much have the gods allowed us to know?? i know the bodies in the sky help to guide us through our lives all ready predetermined which is kicked off at our time of birth. but we can't talk to planets and such, we can talk to God and gods. Planets don't perform miracles. God and gods do.

kaleidescope

oh great and you do have me on my toes, now i have to check you against my husband 10-29-59, has a twin sister.

chapka

I honestly have no idea what you're saying here.

You made a statement, as far as I could tell, about the northernmost country having won every war in history. I presented counterexamples.

You've attempted to rebut my counterexamples, as far as I can tell, by claiming that the United States was involved, which seems irrelevant. You also conveniently ignore the fact that many of the wars I cited, such as the first-millenium-C.E. invasions of Sri Lanka by various southern Indian kingdoms, occurred well before the United States existed, and that in others, such as the Russo-Japanes war, that United States had little or no influence, or was actually supporting the losing side.

Now you say, with respect to these examples, that "this is a big lie and it wouldn't be the only one." Are you arguing that all of history is unreliable? If so, how can you support your viewpoint from history? If not, what on earth are you saying?

The fact is, there are some wars where the northernmost country has lost. I really don't see why that's controversial. Nor do I see the point of it in this thread, unless you intended to support your argument that there's no such thing as coincidence by pointing out what appears to be a coincidence.

Dean Anderson

Yep, that's you to a tee.

Own up, admit it, underneath that hard, cynical exterior you have a soft centre trying to get out.

Oh... wait a minute... the soft centre appears to be made of napalm...

Queen of Swords

Interesting how it only did so around the time my sun sign was clearly spelled out, and not when I asked you to guess it. Oh, I have no doubt that piscean came to your mind. Along with aquarian, arian, taurean, cancerean, scorpian, capricornean, etc. It must have been so very difficult to guess the correct one.

One more piece of evidence that astrology doesn't work.

Jobar

There's this thing called 'precession of the equinoxes'.

The Earth wobbles as it rotates, very slowly, like a spinning top. Every sixteen thousand years approximately, the poles trace out circles on the sky.

Now, the traditional sun signs were set by an ancient civilization- Chaldeans, maybe?- I forget- but anyway, long enough ago that the poles have moved. This means that the position of the sun at the equinoxes has moved, too- and so we are all *actually* born under the sign *preceding* the ones your horoscope says. I was born Oct. 11, but instead of a Libra, I'm actually a Virgo. A Pisces is really an Aquarius.

I just love to lay this on believers in astrology. Blows their minds. It may be that some understand this, but none that I've ever met have.
(And it may be that someone else has posted this on this thread, but I've only read the last page, so...)

lpetrich

Though I've found some Linda Goodman tribute pages like this one and this one and even a whole Linda Goodman forum, I have not been able to find out:
1) how she predicted those planets
2) whether she predicted anything about their orbits

Since according to astrology, the planets' influences are affected by their directions relative to the zodiac and to other planets, one might be able to work backward from their influences to their positions -- and ultimately, their orbits. Much as Leverrier and Bessel had done.

But it seems that Ms. Goodman has been operating on a principle of a different planet for each zodiac sign. Which makes me think:

Ms. Goodman, I served with Urbain Leverrier. I knew Urbain Leverrier. Urbain Leverrier was a friend of mine. Ms. Goodman, you're no Urbain Leverrier.

Despite my knowledge of astronomy, I have had little interest in constellation lore -- the stars seem like a big Rorschach test to me more than anything else.

And the planets are very unlike their astrological attributes, which are derived from their Greco-Roman-deity identifications. Did any astrologer ever predict what the planets are really like?

Mars having an almost Earthlike surface, though a cold and geologically dead one.

Venus having a rather hellish surface, 470 C / 900 F, under a perpetually cloudy sky.

And my Sun Sign is Libra, though I don't seem to fit what Ms. Goodman describes about Libra men.