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I am prepared to read your posts and highlight and expose any fallacies in your pet theories.

2 Peter 1.16-18 can be reasonably assumed to be about the transfiguration as found in the Gospels and not about any revelation.

The author of 2 Peter, using the name Simon Peter, clearly stated that they were with Jesus in the mount when they heard a voice from heaven saying, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

In the Gospel called Matthew, a character called Peter was in a mountain with Jesus where his face was like the sun and his clothes like light, when a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well-pleased, hear ye him.

Your pet theory that 2 Peter is about a revelation is based on your imagination.

Rick Sumner

No, you don't understand the caveat. You don't save Markan invention, because something that looks like Markan invention isn't. If we apply the criteria here, we will get the wrong answer, and we only know it's wrong because we have the answer. If we didn't have the answer--as you yourself attest--we will get it wrong.

You need to have a criteria to identify Markan invention. Something that we can apply here to tell the difference. And once we can tell the difference we can proceed with confidence in areas that we don't know the answer.

Basically, if we take your answer away here, the criteria get it wrong. So why would I have any confidence that the criteria gets it right the rest of the time--when we don't have the answer?

credoconsolans

According to the literature Judas killed himself, so aren't you really looking for 11 apostles?

Doug Shaver

The same literature says Judas was replaced shortly afterward, making the number of apostles 12 again.

ph2ter

The problem is that we cannot be sure to which tradition Mark has been exposed, so we can never be sure what Mark has invented and what he has only redacted. I don't know which method could tell us which is which.

The two accounts (Mark and 2 Peter) are most tightly connected with the sentence which is spoken by God: “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
I think that the crucial question is who is the author of that sentence, who firstly formulated it in exactly such way. Is it Mark, is it 2 Peter or someone before both of them?
'Beloved Son' with whom God was "well pleased" appears in Colossians 1 which was written certainly before the 90's. Someone knowing Colossians could be the author. From that we can only deduce that the sentence in question was invented after Colossians.

2 Peter account is better understood as a continuation of 1 Peter (These have come so that your faith...may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy...He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake...who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light...so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed) which is continuation of 2 Corinthians (For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,”a made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.)

Mark's version is more enhanced than 2 Peter's and also more heavily and directly draws from 2 Corinthians 3-5.
It looks that both of them are exposed to the same background and tradition. Which version has precedence could not be stated with certainty.