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Old 05-16-2004, 04:37 PM   #21
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Those wascally apostles or writers appear to have though of darn near everything:

Luke 18:8 I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?"

2 Peter 3:3-4 First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."
All the NT writers thought that they were in the 'last days" back then. Here is an example

Hebrews 1.

1In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
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Thanks, this is exactly the sort of stuff I was looking for. The comparison between Jesus' prophecy and that of Smith's was also very interesting.
 
Old 05-16-2004, 05:47 PM   #23
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Perhaps not. If we look at the language used in matthew 24 we see that this same language was used in the hebrew bible to describe Yaweh "coming" at various times.
It signified Yaweh "coming" in judgement, not a literal physical coming.
Jesus used words and language that would have been familiar to those who heard them.

When Jesus tells the high priest that he will see the son of man coming on clouds, the high priest would have understood this meant that judgement was coming on their society not that he would look into the sky and see Jesus.
I'm not entirely familiar with what preterism teaches, but it would seem to me that one would come into several problems with this interpretation; especially if you believe that the bible as we have it today is the inerrant word of God.

For one all of the disciples seemed to think that they were in the last days. The author of 2nd Peter ,for instance, does not answer the detractors of the second coming by saying that Jesus only meant that a judgement would come on their society, instead he says that "a day is as a thousand years with the lord." It would seem then that either the bible is errant or preterists have misinterpreted this passage in an attempt ,like the author of 2nd Peter, to dodge the obvious implications of Matthew 24.
 
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I'm not entirely familiar with what preterism teaches, but it would seem to me that one would come into several problems with this interpretation; especially if you believe that the bible as we have it today is the inerrant word of God.
That seems a new idea as well. Did Paul think he was writing the "inerrant word of God" or a letter to some people he knew?
IOW long afterwards some people began to call various writings the "inerrant word of God"

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For one all of the disciples seemed to think that they were in the last days. The author of 2nd Peter ,for instance, does not answer the detractors of the second coming by saying that Jesus only meant that a judgement would come on their society, instead he says that "a day is as a thousand years with the lord." It would seem then that either the bible is errant or preterists have misinterpreted this passage in an attempt ,like the author of 2nd Peter, to dodge the obvious implications of Matthew 24.
How have preterists interpreted this passage?
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How have preterists interpreted this passage?
From what I understand they believe that his coming referred to the desturction of jerusalem in 70 AD. And that,as you said, his coming was simply judgement visited upon the of jerusalem; not the final sort of judgement at the end of the world that most christians think this passage is referring to.
 
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From what I understand at that time a generation was around 40 years,
So the on average all the mothers were 40 years older than their children? That's what "generation," as a unit of time means to me, the average difference in ages between the parents and their children. Forty years does not seem a likely value to me.
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So the on average all the mothers were 40 years older than their children? That's what "generation," as a unit of time means to me, the average difference in ages between the parents and their children. Forty years does not seem a likely value to me.
Well my original question came about after reading R.C. Sproul's "The Last Days According To Jesus". I'm far from being an expert on these matters as some of the people here are, so I decided to put Sproul's claims to the test here. He claims in the book that a generation was around 40 years, and everything that I have read concerning this makes similar claims. If someone has any evidence to the contrary, however, I would love to hear it.
 
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the wording "this generation shall not pass" to me means that some group of people alive in a particular age range will not die off before the event. He is either talking about the people his own age, or perhaps the people being born around the time of the statement. Whichever group it is, to me, that wording means that age group of people won't die off before the event. So I wouldn't go by the age differential between mothers and children, I would go by life expentancy.

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Thanks, this is exactly the sort of stuff I was looking for. The comparison between Jesus' prophecy and that of Smith's was also very interesting.
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How have preterists interpreted this passage?
Apparently I misunderstood you in my first response. I wasn't saying preterists misinterpreted 2nd Peter, the passage I meant was Matthew 24.
 
 

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