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Old 07-16-2004, 11:07 AM   #61
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Okay I'm tired and rambling, and if I misunderstood what you meant about that chapter, then I take back what I said.
Please feel free to offer another response. Late night posts do not count.
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Oh, am I to understand that Satan has the power to corrupt god's message?
Absolutely !

That is his chief objective.

Indigenous to Biblical doctrine is the realty of Satan. He is just as prominent as Jesus or Moses.

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If that's the case, my argument stands. God chose this method to communicate with us, and god knew it would be corrupted by satan. God made satan...therefore he is responsible for the bible's corruption.
You are absolutely correct.

God is inadvertedly responsible for the "traffic jam" of understanding the Bible.

BUT, IF you are going to recognize the reality of God momentarily in order to assign blame for Biblical corruption, then you are admitting the existence of God for the single purpose of dismissing Him !

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All that this thread does for me is add to my assertion that the bible is not god's word. The bible is the most misunderstood, mistranslated, convoluted, contorted, re-arranged, confusing book ever written.
In other words, difficulty and problems are solved by tossing the whole source -that is Satan's exact strategy - for people to view the Bible as a traffic jam that is to be avoided.

Wherever the greatest controversies exist - the greatest truth lies within.

The Bible declares that ONLY "gift ministers", persons called out by God - have the Divine-given ability to explain the Bible.

This is WHY preachers are viewed as corrupt and stupid - Satan has flooded their ranks with so many fundie morons who turn the world off to the Bible and Jesus.

The greatest proof of Satan on television is the likes of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. These mofos create the exact image of christianity that makes an intelligent world hate God.

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ps: if I've counted correctly you've posted in this thread alone about 7 or 8 times since so dramatically stating you were leaving this antiseptic forum on page 1
After thinking about it I decided that leaving would accomplish the real objective of the Mod - Amaleg.
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Old 07-16-2004, 12:37 PM   #63
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My position, in addition to that which I have already argued (and you have completely ignored - wonder why ?), is that Matthew is a fucking God-damn Satan loving liar OR he is an honest reporter telling the truth - with nothing in between.
This appears to be a false dichotomy since there are possibilities between these two extremes. I tend to consider the author of Matthew as honestly expressing his beliefs when he rewrote the story attributed to Mark. Neither of the above seems to adequately describe this possibility.

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After thinking about it I decided that leaving would accomplish the real objective of the Mod - Amaleg.
Quite untrue, amigo. I have obtained genuine entertainment from your posts and the reactions they have received.

As long as you continue to post in accordance with the IIDB Rules, I encourage you to continue to participate in the discussions here.

BTW, the name is "Amaleq" which is an alternate spelling of "Amalek" which is a name I'm sure you are familiar with given your knowledge of the Bible.
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Old 07-16-2004, 02:14 PM   #64
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One sentence dismissal of my semi-lengthy post demonstrates the truth contained therein.

Your post repeats the exact generic renderings which my response already enlarged upon. (Note: I didn't say refute, I said "enlarged upon")

Your post lacks any source of reference for its content except yourself which makes it ambiguous and subjective.

My post demonstrated from the Bible what "Messiah" means and is.

The ending segment concerning the naming of Jesus and the definition of Jehovah - source: Dr. Gene Scott.
You keep sourcing and make claims for this Gene Scott, yet you NEVER will back any of it up with supporting information. You say you demonstrate what things mean, when you in reality only make declarations without any evidence (i.e. baseless assertion). You say he is "the recognized leading authority" on Bible translation. Several people have asked you who are these people who recognize him. You ignore all queries and continue to quote this lambasting buffoon Scotty. You offer up very unique translations/interpretations of ancient dialects/documents, but offer no detailed justification, you just reference your kook of a source. He conveniently publishes no work to be scrutinized by people who are real experts in various subject matters. Well I suppose most all have figured out the worth of your source... :boohoo:
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One sentence dismissal of my semi-lengthy post demonstrates the truth contained therein.
It wasn't a one sentence dismissal. I included an explanation for my statement.

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Your post repeats the exact generic renderings which my response already enlarged upon. (Note: I didn't say refute, I said "enlarged upon")

Your post lacks any source of reference for its content except yourself which makes it ambiguous and subjective.
If there is a particular point for which you would like references feel free to point them out. If there is particular point which you reject feel free to post a rebuttal.
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Just FYI,

xristos - to be rubbed on, used as ointment or salve, II. anointed 2. Xristos as a translation of the Hebrew "Messiah". (Liddell and Scott, Greek-English Lexicon, Abridged Edition, p. 790)

As for a reference on the etymology of the word Jesus look it up in any dictionary. Ditto with the word "cognate".

Etymology of "Jesus" - Middle English, from Late Latin Isus, from Greek Isous, from Hebrew yû‘, from yhôûa‘, Joshua. See Joshua (The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.)

Late Latin Ioshua, from Hebrew yhôûa‘, Yahweh (is) salvation. See hwy in Semitic Roots. (The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.)

Cognate: Related in origin, as certain words in genetically related languages descended from the same ancestral root; for example, English name and Latin nmen from Indo-European *n-men-. (The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.)
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Well I suppose most all have figured out the worth of your source... :boohoo:
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Dr. Gene Scott ® (Ph.D. Stanford University) is the Pastoring Teacher of the University Cathedral in Los Angeles, California.
He teaches on subjects ranging from Basic Christianity, to Atlantis, to the Pyramids. (DrGeneScott.com)
UC is Scott's church. Whatever he may or may not be he is definitely not the leading authority on Koine Greek or the text of the New Testament. I also find it amusing that his name is a registered trademark. I don't know of any other reputable scholar who's done that.
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BTW, the name is "Amaleq" which is an alternate spelling of "Amalek" which is a name I'm sure you are familiar with given your knowledge of the Bible.
Thanks for pointing this out.

The "q" lacks a right hand hook.

Why do you want to identify with Amalek ?

If I told you what Amalek represents and means I would undoubtedly be instantly banned.
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If I told you what Amalek represents and means I would undoubtedly be instantly banned.
Amalek

Why on earth would you be banned unless you broke the rules here?
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WILLOW,

I note that you convieniently igored my last post.
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