arnoldo

Well, Goliath was considered to be bigger than normal size and there is archaelogical evidence that the name of Goliath existed circa the OT account of the battle between David and Goliath. . . The “Goliath Inscription” from Tell es-Safi/Gath

The Dagda

Goliath was a big man, not a giant. Being over 7ft tall still happens today, he probably had the same brain tumour as other humans have who are cursed by gigantism or the same genetic disorder.

Even so this does not explain why the nephilim were considered to be wiped out by all faiths in the flood?

Exciter

Tell me about it! I stand 5ft and a half a lot of the women I go after are giants!

Well back then, anytthing we now consider a genetic disorder was known to be caused by demons...
So we'd have to take their existence with faith....

juergen

Critics are accusing your version of God of genocide.

First, you have to succesfully make a case that angels exist, that they have reproductive organs that are also compatible with human reproductive organs, and that they can procreate.

Considering this ridiculous idea is true in real life, if angels and humans could do it, you'd still be seeing it around, wouldn't you? What's stopping anyone from doing whatever (in the Bible) God has punished entire villages/nations/world for dozens of hundreds of years ago? This would be that one thing people have actually stopped doing (I could be mistaken), from what the Bible describes people doing since they exist (assuming the Bible's historically correct for this conversation).

My previous question was, and still is: what do you consider an innocent, and a guilty nation?

sugarhitman

"Then we turned, and took our journey into the wilderness by the way of the Red Sea, as the Lord spake unto me: and we compassed mount Seir many days. And the Lord spoke unto me saying, 'You have comppassed this mountain long enough: turn northward. And command the people saying, you are to pass through the coast of your brethren the children of Esau, which well at Seir, and they shall be afraid of you: take heed unto yourselves therefore: do not meddle with them; for I will not give you of their land, no, not so much as a foot breadth; because I have given mount Seir unto Esau for a possession'....."


".....we turned and passed by the wilderness of Moab. And the Lord said unto me, 'distress not the Moabites, neither contend with them in battle: for I will not give you of their land for a possession; because I have given Ar unto the children of Lot for a possession. The Emims dwelt there in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakim; but the Moabites called them Emims."


"The Horims also dwelt in Seir beforetime; but the children of Esau succeeded them, when they had destroyed them from before them, and dwelt in their stead; AS ISRAEL DID UNTO THE LAND OF HIS POSSESSION, WHICH THE LORD GAVE UNTO THEM."



"And when you come nigh against the children of Ammon, distress them not, nor meddle with them: for I will not give you of the land of the children of Ammon any possession; because I have given it unto the children of Lot for a possession. (that also was accounted a LAND OF GIANTS: giants dwelt there in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims; a people great and many and tall as the Anakims, but the Lord destroyed them before them, and dwelt in their stead: as he did for the children of Esau, which dwelt in Seir, when he destroyed the Horims from before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their place even unto this day." Deut. 2




"And they (the 12 spies) brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, 'the land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eats up the inhabitants there and ALL the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. And there we SAW THE GIANTS the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight. And all the congregation lifted up their voice, and cried; and the people wept that night.....and they said one to another 'let us make a captain, and let us return into Egypt' " Numbers 13, 14.





The story in the bible is one of Adamic peoples displacing the Nephilims (their seed).


I'm not asking you if you believe these "myths" but what i am asking according to what the text says is it genocide against "innocent nations" or Adamic peoples displacing the Giants.



What does the text says?

Johnny Skeptic

I doesn't matter since the text was not inspired by God. What we need most is facts, not just interpretations. Even if everyone agreed with your interpretations of the Bible, so what? You would still need to provide reasonable proof that the Bible is a trustworthy source of information, and it isn't. The vast majority of people are much more interested in facts than they are in interpretations. How interested are you in interpreting the Koran and all other religious writings? Probably not much since you do not consider the writings to be trustworhty sources of information no matter how they should be interpreted. I know what you are up to. You are well aware that Romans 10:17 says "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." You hope that some skeptics will be influenced just by reading the Scriptures that you quote, and by reading what you say about the texts.

The Dagda

This doesn't say anything like what you claim? In fact it backs up that the nephilim were destroyed by God in the flood? As all faiths bar yours apparently believe?

You have some crazy religious heresy going on there?

juergen

If the Nephilim were children of the sons of God, does it mean at least one of them that got slaughtered by the Israelites (per your interpretation) was a descendant of Jesus?

Why not, sugarhitman, if he was a son of God too?

ETA: And since we have free pass to speculate all we want in this thread...

If the people that lived in Jericho were giants as described by the emissaries that had been sent to spy, the Hebrews would have been the size of grasshopers compared to them, or close to that.

So now the Hebrews surround Jericho, and the walls fall down, walls we would assume were built according to the giants' specifications. If the Hebrews were standing anywhere close to them, we can speculate the walls would have fallen on them (imagine the height) and knocked the Hebrews out. How tall do the walls have to be to provide security for such tall people? If you're next to a wall this size, and the wall falls, does it not fall on you?

However, let's say the Hebrews were left unscathed. Now that the walls had crumbled, the Hebrews could walk up to the giants and prick them in the feet with their tiny spears. They must have ran away laughing from the prickling and tickling!

sugarhitman

The word Giant is translated from the Hebrew word Nephilim. And also it is said Giants lived before and after the flood.

The Dagda

No it isn't said, it's clearly stated in Jubilees that all Nephilim perished in the flood sent by God, for just such a purpose to destroy the wicked. You are the only person who says that. Judaism, Catholicism, Anglicanism and just about every other religion including Eastern Orthodox and or other Orthodox takes the OT at it's word? You can't just make stuff up, it's bad form.