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Incorrectly, in my opinion. I have no problem with anyone drawing a comic about anything, no matter how offensive anyone else might find it. The freedom of speech trumps the freedom to not be offended by speech by a wide margin. That is, however, unrelated to the topic of discussion. The referent in my post was the Muslim leadership who made such a big to-do about the silly cartoons. If you'd prefer, change the example to the Sikhs who got all pissy about Jay Leno including a picture of one of their temples in a joke about Romney.
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I assume any non-Muslims who have a trivial ability to analyze available facts and make judgement calls based on that analysis and their non-Muslimness would seem to be irrelevant to that. Again, though, it's a derail from the topic at hand.
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Let's have a look at some available facts and see if they justify this accusation, which may soon appear to be a travesty. The apostles did not initiate the occasion on which they mentioned Jesus being hanged on a tree. It was the Sanhedrin, mostly wealthy, responsible, politically aware, politically-motivated Jews, who had him crucified, who did that; and they knew what they had done, so the responsibility, if there is one, lies entirely with them. The apostles were under very serious accusation, and had to defend themselves. And the concept of Jesus taking the curse of God on behalf of the whole nation (as then perceived) was, or should have been, very telling in that defence. This hanging was, in the view of the apostles, to 'give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel'. Their mention of this may even have been the factor that saved their lives, because the Sanhedrin did not want to find themselves "fighting against God". Neither did they say that killing Jesus through crucifixion was an insult to their religion. That's painting with an alien Islamic brush that's also alien to their viewpoint, which was all about forgiveness and peace-making. So the apostles did not set out to rile up the Jewish population, and they did not achieve that, either. In fact, soon after this, 'the number of disciples was increasing'. When Peter alone spoke of Jesus being hanged from a tree, he addressed Gentiles, and Gentiles in private, by invitation. Nothing to do with Islamic cartoons. So inappropriate analogy it really is. |
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jewish judges astonished by pete's claim that the jews killed jesus. the judges dismissed it as the ramblings of an illiterate commoner. so whats going on here? how is it possible that the jews forgot about what they did in matthews account? jews say to pete , " you EVEN want to lay this mans blood on us" |
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Plus, the original Greek in the verses in Acts says first that the Jews fixed, fastened or impaled Jesus alive to something (prospēxantes) and caused him to die. The other three occasions where it says the Jews killed him, they hanged* him upon something made out of wood (kremasantes epi xulou) while still alive. *And just like the Hebrew in deuteronomy, here in the Greek any method of suspension and any item made out of wood will do. |
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The notewothy thing here being that by the letter of The Law, (Deut 21:23) simply being hung (or impaled) upon wood, was enough to bring the curse into effect regardless of that persons guilt or innocence.
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Exactly. But according to Deuteronomy the hanged person was supposed to be convicted and executed first. Of course, human courts are not infallible and innocent people do and did get executed.
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