Peter Kirby

In what ways can one get the Old Syriac Gospels, the codex Sinaiticus and the codex Curetonianus, in English translation?

Less expensive is better.

kind thoughts,
Peter Kirby

Chris Weimer

And on top of that, how about less expensive ways to get it in Aramaic as well?

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I use the Online Bible which has a Peshitta nt you can download.


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Peter Kirby

Yes, but the Peshitta is not the Old Syriac.

kind thoughts,
Peter Kirby

Chris Weimer

The point being made by Peter.

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I wasn't replying to Peter, but to you, Chris. When you say "Aramaic", the Syriac Peshitta is Aramaic.


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Haran

Unfortunately, I am not aware of anything inexpensive...perhaps this would be good for another open source project.

Anyway, here is what Yuri would say:
The Old Syriac Aramaic Gospels

The resources are at the bottom of the page.

I have looked at Jan Wilson's book and it is excellent. Also, for really good comparative edition (in Syriac) of the Curetonian, Sinaiticus, and Peshitta, check out George Kiraz' works in Amazon. If they weren't so expensive, they'd probably already be in my library.

Other questions would probably be best directed to the hugoye-list (where George Kiraz posts):
yahoo hugoye-list

Javaman

Peter,
I don't know if you've seen this one already. I'm having trouble finding out if this contains a full English translation - I also don't know if it is too expensive or not:

The Old Syriac Gospels, Studies and Comparative Translations - By E. Jan Wilson I saw some other possibilities if this isn't what you're after.

ETA:
I guess I didn't realize the same publisher produces:
Comparative Edition of the Syriac Gospels
Aligning the Sinaiticus, Curetonianus, Peshitta and Harklean Versions

By George Kiraz. I saw it mentioned in many, many places. You can get the paperback version of Vol. 1 even at Amazon if you don't want to spend the full $240.00 before evaluating its worth.

ETA (Further): I should have refreshed prior to typing and then editing my post. Thanks Haran.

Yuri Kuchinsky

I don't think Wilson's book is really so expensive. After all, it's 2 volumes...

No kidding!

The problem with Wilson's book is that it has been panned by professional reviewers. (Or perhaps has been nitpicked with a great abandon?) Some of his translations have been challenged.

In any case, his book doesn't really have "due credentials" with the professional wonks.

Kiraz edition doesn't supply the translations. But it's very useful for those who know Aramaic.

For the beginners in Aramaic, even more useful is the CAL database, which includes the complete Aramaic texts of both the Curetonian and Sinaitic manuscripts, with helpful parsing,

http://cal1.cn.huc.edu/searching/CAL_search_page.html

Speaking about "another open source project", I've already put the Burkitt translation of Curetonian/Sinaitic Matthew online,

http://www.trends.ca/~yuku/bbl/aramat1.htm

It's out of copyright.

It would be relatively easy for someone also to scan Burkitt's translation of the other three gospels... In conjunction with the CAL database, it'll already be quite enough free material for people to work with online.

And then, there's also the Lewis' edition of the Sinaitic, also out of copyright....

Cheers,

Yuri

Peter Kirby

Yuri, you have this book, and I don't. Would you like to do a little collaboration to get these important texts on the 'net in translation? i.e., would you like to make scanned images of the book pages, and then I could convert them into text? It would be a wonderful service, and shouldn't take you more than a few hours.

kind thoughts,
Peter Kirby