chapka

I don't care about free will, personally. I don't see how you can believe in math and not coincidence.

kaleidescope

ah, did your partner die?, cause astro books definitely tend to go with the status quo.
yes, have you ever seen your chart? i love to look at all the different natal charts. crazy interesting. if you want it, i'll mail to you what I have on you, but i won't print anything without your permission and even if you give it, i'm having trouble with my black ink, so i can't guarantee i can print it. further, if you want me to delete it, i will.

kaleidescope

HOLY CRAP! It's kind of gone.
Okay, Molly Mac, go to msn search, key words, birthday of nations.
YES IT SAYS THIS INFO CAN BE FALSE BUT LOOK AT ALL THE INFO AND TELL ME SOMEONE DIDN'T DO ALL THAT RESEARCH AND POST IT IF THAT RESEARCHER(S) THOUGHT IT WAS FALSE.
Okay, as i said, I freaked when I saw: England (Dec 25) because that was the first time I found that info. There is no way I could have imagined seeing something i don't know. It is gone! However, scroll further and I found:
Coronation of William I X-mas day 1066, Westminster. This further tells me I was not seeing things.
Correction on the Vatican's b-day; it's feb 11, not Jan 11.
it does also give UK's b-day as Jan 1.
US from the above source:
July 4, 1776 2:14 Philly with Gemini rising. And there's another at 2:20 with Scorpio rising.

kaleidescope

Washington DC and Philadelphia are south of London. The American war of Independence is the only war in all of history in which the south won to the north. But we didn't win, the best the US has done to be independent from England is to tell us so, so there has never been a war when south won to north. I have no doubt, the 4th of July is astrologically set. In addition to having two charts a couple minutes apart, Anchorage, Alaska also has a birthday, placing the power of the US over the UK. If it was feasible, the capitol of the US would be in Anchorage. Even if you think this is a pile of rubbish, someone help with this research, what possible super power is geographically north of Anchorage, the Soviet Union? Extreme north Asia? Queenie makes buku money off the US as well as the UK.
There's more.

Heurismus

Well for the death of a father I suppose the probability of such an event occuring at my age is far greater, but you 'assumed' wrongly and 'Status Quo' I think isn't a strong term to use in this application, same old chords but groovy to head bang to I suppose.

But no I haven't seen one and I have checked when Damien and I were transposed in the womb and I actually first saw light at 0855. I'll check the longitude if you want. This really should be interesting, seriously. (don't forget the jokes )

chapka

Okay. I'm not sure, but are you saying there has never been a war where one country has defeated a country whose captial, or territory, lies to the north of it? Because historically, you're just wrong. The Norman Conquest and the battle of Hastings spring to mind, wherein the Normans beat the English; also, the Second War of Scottish Independence, the Rough Wooing, and the Jacobite Rebellion, in all of which England defeated Scotland; the Israeli invasion of its northern neighbor Lebanon in 1982; the War of 1812 (perhaps more of a draw); the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan; the Russo-Japanese War; the repeated repulsions of Indian invasion and/or occupying forces by Sri Lanka; Argentina's May Revolution against Spain; the Gallic wars; and, arguably, the recent war between Ethiopia and its northern neighbor Eritrea.

MollyMac

kaleidescope, I have no problem believing that you saw what you said you saw. I simply pointed out that what you saw was a mistake on the part of whoever was making the claim. It is standard netiquette, by the way, to provide links to sites you want other people to look at - or at least copy and paste the URL in your post. I'm not remotely interested in going on some wild goose chase in msn messenger.

MollyMac

By the way, are you ever going to explain why you started a thread asking people to take a short survey? I have asked this question several times now but you keep ignoring me. I'd really like to know because actually that's the only reason I am still subscribed to this ridiculous thread.

Dean Anderson

After a long and detailed study of your posts, and the personality traits evidenced in them, cross-referenced with my vast knowledge of astrology, I have determined that you are a...

Pisces

Does that mean I am a better astrologer than kaleidoscope?

Dean Anderson

Okay, I own up.

This thread was particularly useful in determining your "personality traits" and therefore your star sign.

I just thought I would point this out before kaleidoscope does the same search as I did ("QoS" and "birthday") and then claims that it was her astrology that determined the answer, rather than her searching abilities...