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Old 05-12-2012, 11:39 AM   #111
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outhouse - spin is not a mythcist.

Would you like to withdraw that silly post above?

Understood.

But I believe his methodology is simular since his attacks are.




try and refute the fact jewish romans wrote in the deity as a jewish tax dodger. not attack the messenger.
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:42 AM   #112
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there is a reason its status quo.
Ummm, and that is....? (Asked, hanging with bated breath. )

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paul did not invent the movement. Nor the foundation of mythology.
And these assertions are based on....? Does it matter? They're just schoolyard responses indicating nothing more meaningful to say. outhouse, you have no evidence to indicate Jesus preceded Paul. Paul specifically states he got his gospel not from other people but from revelation (Gal 1:11-12).

Do we have to give up expecting any content from you? Nothing comes of nothing. Speak again.
typical myther garbage bud.
You wouldn't know what typical myther garbage was, if it strangled you in your waking stupor.

And incidentally, most people here with more than half a brain could tell you I'm not a myther. But you were born yesterday and only know how to talk talk, sadly, contentless banalities.

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what do you have so meaningful to say? other then "nuh uh"
That you need to learn to reserve judgment until you know something more than you say.

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you want special pleading for every aspect of the mythology, yet refuse all evidence towards a mortal man.
When you feel like communicating, please don't be hesitant.

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oh quick! spout of in a schoolyard manner that everybody picks on those inoccent little myther's, and because they have no real following in the scholarly community they should somehow be given credibility.
There are two reasons to crap on about the scholarly community rather than evidence for your views: a) you have no evidence or b) you're part of the community. Clearly #b is not the case.

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like it or not there are gray areas within the legend. Focusing on the gaps of knowledge then painting wildly with a myther brush ressembles a creationist at work
The thing that's worse than talking nonsense is trying to do so aggressively.

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the worst thing here is im a minimalist as far as given historicity to jesus and im probably 55% -45%, yet you make it sound like im a bible toting catholic
As you don't seem to know what the term "minimalist" means, perhaps you should read the views of someone who has worn the label more than nearly anyone in the field, Thomas L. Thompson, to get an idea of the term. He would wean you out of your complacency. But you're not up to that. And I don't know what orafice you plucked your percentages from but they have as much meaning as most of the percentages I've seen spouted here: none.
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:44 AM   #113
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you have no evidence to indicate Jesus preceded Paul. Paul specifically states he got his gospel not from other people but from revelation
and if you look at the words originally written, you would see he is talking about a awakening, a feeling from within.


You also ignore the fact he talks about the real apostles, and its evident in his letters that he wants to be seen as a real apostle very badly. He wants to identify with a movement already in progress.
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typical myther garbage bud.
You wouldn't know what typical myther garbage was, if it strangled you in your waking stupor.

And incidentally, most people here with more than half a brain could tell you I'm not a myther. But you were born yesterday and only know how to talk talk, sadly, contentless banalities.


That you need to learn to reserve judgment until you know something more than you say.


When you feel like communicating, please don't be hesitant.


There are two reasons to crap on about the scholarly community rather than evidence for your views: a) you have no evidence or b) you're part of the community. Clearly #b is not the case.


The thing that's worse than talking nonsense is trying to do so aggressively.

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the worst thing here is im a minimalist as far as given historicity to jesus and im probably 55% -45%, yet you make it sound like im a bible toting catholic
As you don't seem to know what the term "minimalist" means, perhaps you should read the views of someone who has worn the label more than nearly anyone in the field, Thomas L. Thompson, to get an idea of the term. He would wean you out of your complacency. But you're not up to that. And I don't know what orafice you plucked you percentages from but they have as much meaning as most of the percentages I've seen spouted here: none.
blah blah, blah, blah blah,

again with no substance or rebuttal.
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:48 AM   #115
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As you don't seem to know what the term "minimalist" means,
actually I do, I understand the OT debate quite well.

In this context, it has to do with how much of the gospel is errant.


I'd be glad to spell more out for you, if needed
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:50 AM   #116
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outhouse - spin is not a mythcist.

Would you like to withdraw that silly post above?

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I don't think you do

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But I believe his methodology is simular since his attacks are.
Because they are using standard historical analysis and logic?


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try and refute the fact jewish romans wrote in the deity as a jewish tax dodger. not attack the messenger.
What facts are you talking about? What facts make Jesus a tax dodger, when the gospels have him advocating paying taxes? Who are these Jewish Romans?

What are your sources?

Does your computer have a shift key?
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:51 AM   #117
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The thing that's worse than talking nonsense is trying to do so aggressively.
You have not yet been able to find one statement that is nonsense.

im following Meyers, Green, Crosson, Ehrman, Carrier ect ect ect i'm sorry spin isnt on that list
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:58 AM   #118
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when the gospels have him advocating paying taxes?
really , LOL



"They began to accuse him, saying, "We found this man perverting the nation, forbidding paying taxes to Caesar, and saying that he himself is Christ, a king." - Luke 23:2


And jesus never payed the tax when asked about render to caesar, he sent peter fishing instead and never pulled coin's from his purse to pay.



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Who are these Jewish Romans?
Paul is a jewish roman

Pauls targets were the god fearer's. romans who worshipped in synagogues but were not jews.

the gospel authors were jewish romans with the exception of GMatthew who still used the roman foundation but wrote to a more jewish audience.


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What facts are you talking about?
the fact that the gospel writers wrote jesus in as a tax dodger and a person who was killed for money.


these were jesus enemy, and its the only version we have left.



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now quick attack the messenger due to ignorance on the topic.
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Old 05-12-2012, 12:08 PM   #120
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And we still have the central difficulty of why the Jews wanted Jesus dead. Claiming to be the Messiah is not a capital offense.


Jews is to broad a brush. with 4 distinct groups


"IF" jesus was a tax dodger, then it would affect the Saducees as they ran the temple which was the treasury.

jesus preaching to worship at home and stay out of he roman infected temple would be enough to warrant a capitol offense to ruthless people who killed for much less.
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