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Old 09-28-2009, 08:01 PM   #91
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The link I Just posted works mate.
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My point is that even Bart Ehrman, a textual critic, agrees with the scholarly consensus that supports the existence of a historical Jesus.
Of course he does. But you won't find anything that he has written that actually evaluates the evidence for a historical Jesus and shows why it is more probable than not that a historical Jesus existed.

Like most other writers on the subject, he accepts the idea that there was a historical Jesus and goes from there. That's not a totally unreasonable appraoch, but it is not a defense of the historical Jesus in the face of critical examination of the evidence.

What is your larger point? Why is this an issue for you?
Exactly.
We will never know for sure whether there was a real character behind the stories or not - it is impossible to really know - too much has been lost.
Maybe there was no-one but more likely there was someone but just how little of the stories applied to him - who knows.

Now if only the silly old RCC would allow full and open access to all of their archives.
What do they hide?
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Like most other writers on the subject, he accepts the idea that there was a historical Jesus and goes from there. That's not a totally unreasonable appraoch, but it is not a defense of the historical Jesus in the face of critical examination of the evidence.

Then why are so many secular historians in agreement with the fact that it is probable that there was a historical Jesus? Instead of them saying no there isn't any good evidence to support it.
Why don't you ask your favorite secular historian that question?

A Pauline writer claimed Jesus must resurrect for salvation of mankind. Please tell me why Jesus must have existed for mankind to be saved?

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The link I Just posted works mate.
Does not work.
As regards the other link - my question STILL stands - why did you post a link to a site that refuted what you said?
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Okay, all you MJers, answer me this ...

You say that there are no reliable historical accounts of a historical Jesus.

How do you know this? Have you read every document from 1st century Palestine in the original Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew? Or do you know because you've been told there are no accounts? Told by ... scholars. The same scholars who you so casually dismiss when they say they believe in an HJ.

In other words, you only trust scholars when you feel like it.
Can you ask HJers how do they know that the accounts we have now are reliable?

In other words why must we trust scholars?
You don't have to. What I'm asking (again) is why you trust them to tell you about historical documents not containing any mention of Jesus, but then don't trust them to tell you there is still solid evidence for him. You've got to be consistent. And since they spend their lives studying this stuff (and many are non-believers) I trust their opinions more than yours.



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Have you read every single document or heard every oral conversation, in every language, about Achilles or Mermaids?
Can you find any mythology scholars claiming they existed?
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Can you ask HJers how do they know that the accounts we have now are reliable?

In other words why must we trust scholars?
You don't have to. What I'm asking (again) is why you trust them to tell you about historical documents not containing any mention of Jesus, but then don't trust them to tell you there is still solid evidence for him. You've got to be consistent. And since they spend their lives studying this stuff (and many are non-believers) I trust their opinions more than yours.



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Have you read every single document or heard every oral conversation, in every language, about Achilles or Mermaids?
Can you find any mythology scholars claiming they existed?
With all due respect Joan, there are no religions around these 2 - religion seems to make a diff when it comes to whether people claim that a mythological char was real or not.
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but more likely there was someone
Yes of course exactly, there was more likely someone.
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The Evidence For Jesus

http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billc...discover2.html

Please guys, read some of this and respond.
Pathetically hilarious.:rolling:
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That's my whole point, you people arguing for the nonexistence hypothesis are in a minority . I understand that none of you care, but that wont change the fact that it is essentially without supporters in academic circles.
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That's my whole point, you people arguing for the nonexistence hypothesis are in a miniorty. I understand that none of you care, but that wont change the fact that it is essentially without supporters in academic circles.

Not really. Robert M. Price and Richard Carrier are big names I can think of that support, to some extent, the a-historicity of Jesus.

The issue is not that "most historians believe in a historical Jesus", that much is true, the problem is that, in reality, this majority believes it based on either ideological imperatives or simple academic inertia.

The way Christians portray it "All academics are just in complete agreement, after considered examination, that Jesus was actually historical," while in reality, the historical existence of Jesus is a presupposition that allows mainstream Biblical historians to continue to shill books and projects aimed at "finding the real historical Jesus behind the myth."
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