mike_decock

I interceded as soon as I read this thread and asked both spin and Bede to lay off the sniping and sarcasm.

-Mike...

Toto

until a moderator got online and actually read the thread?

Please take all of your comments and baiting about moderation to the bugs forum. I would be within guidelines to just edit them out, but I am restraining myself so far. You are getting the benefit of the doubt here because I am involved in the discussion.

The OP reveals a bit of attitude that might not be acceptable at a Sunday school class, but there were no personal attacks on anyone or personal insults. If you find attacks on Christianity to be personal insults, that is going to be a problem for you on an atheist board. The OP is a legitimate question, and got a few substantive answers.

Haran

Such standards have been in place here for some of us. However, what I see in this thread and others you've created is uneloquent rhetoric against Christians and Christianity.

The problem is that some get very tired of presenting evidence when every single piece gets shot down by a simple dismissal lacking in any depth whatsoever. Where is the point in that? The pattern is endless and starting to seem utterly absurd to me...evidence, deny, evidence, deny, evidence, deny. Some will not believe in anything because they do not want to.

This thread was opened with little more than rhetoric (as in other similarly created threads recently). There is a complete lack of credibility on the part of some here, yet they insist on making fun of those here who are already or are almost scholars. Someone's profile says it all..."timewaster"...

Intercession should have begun with the opening post.

Haran

Come on, Toto. This is spin with the best of them. Look at the opening post. It is offensive not only the Christians in general as you seem to imply but to all the Christians who post here, remember?

Genteel my foot! Especially with the contents of the opening post:

Toto, if you can't see this kind of unproductive and insulting rhetoric, then I think you have no business being a moderator. You only appear to be taking sides. As I said, the forums are going down hill fast. I am not surprised that so many are already beginning to leave for better pastures.

No substance in the first post, only rhetoric and an out-of-hand dimissal of information already presented. As I showed above, it was not an attack on Christianity in general but by spin's own words it was meant for "xians who post here".

It is obvious that spin does not desire rational discourse but seems only intent on pushing his seeming anti-Christian agenda.

If the moderation does not shape up, there will be many more leaving, I am sure. If you want to ban me for saying it, then feel free. I have probably stayed here too long as it is.

Layman

I don't see how any reasonable person could have expected the OP to produce anything other than yet another thread of insults and one-liners.

mike_decock

If you look at the 1:35 AM timestamp of the OP, I think it's obvious why there was no intercession until the next morning.

-Mike...

judge

1. We have given you the hope for the One who Is from the beginning of creation, the One whom we heard and saw with our eyes, saw and felt with our hands, He who Is the manifestation of Life.
2. And Life became revealed, and we have seen and we are witnessing and we are preaching to you Life to the end of the universe*, that which was with the Father and who revealed it to us.
3. And since we saw and heard we also proclaim it to you so that you may have fellowship with us. However, our fellowship is with the Father and the Son Jesus Christ.
4. And these [things] that we write to you, are so that we may all rejoice in fellowship together.*
5. And this is the hope that we heard from him, and we give you the hope that God is that Light, and there is absolutely no darkness in him.

First letter of John

from here.....http://www.v-a.com/bible/letters/3ltrs.html

judge

Heres another one from Paul.

3. For I delivered to you from the beginning that which I received, that Jesus died on behalf of our sins, as is written [in Scriptures,]
4. That he was buried and rose within three days, as is written [in Scriptures.]
5. And He appeared to Keepa [Peter] and after him to the Twelve.
6. And afterwards He appeared to five hundred brethren together, most of whom stand with us until now and some that are in repose.
7. And after them, He appeared to Jacob and after him to all the apostles.
8. After all of them, in closing, He appeared to me also.
9. I am [the one] who is the smallest of the apostles, because I persecuted the church of God.

I corinthians chapt 15

Toto

Judge - are you saying that Christians cannot satisfy spin's request for information because it is a matter of faith?

BTW - Your link requires a password - try this

1 John

Commentary on 1 John - dated most probably to the first half of the second century.

Edited to add: This Forum is not for witnessing. Is there a reason for a skeptic to accept these ancient documents?

judge

These documents (books of the NT ) are the fundamental historical works that underpin the historical Jesus.

This is what Spin asked for...(I quote)...Why is it that none of our xian brethren are of the frame of mind to humour me/us in providing the fundamental historical work that underpins their so-called historical Jesus?

Quote:

Edited to add: This Forum is not for witnessing. Is there a reason for a skeptic to accept these ancient documents?

No there is no reason for a skeptic to accept these documents.
If one does not accept them it is no big deal.